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Xethis
10.06.2012 , 02:39 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Dierdrea View Post
I am sorry if I am misunderstanding this, I was told that the 30% maul damage did not work unless you were in surging charge and that the tooltip was wrong. This may well be an error on my part. Will run some tests.
The only thing you need to be in Surging Charge for is the Induction stacks for your shocks. 30% increase to Maul crit damage is the same no matter what Charge you use.

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PlagaNerezza
10.06.2012 , 09:54 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Xethis View Post
Guys you are missing everything. Dark Maul is designed to only be run in Dark Charge, the only reason that Surging Charge was grabbed was to get Induction for the 30% crit damage bonus on Maul because this is your primary attack. If you are not in Surging Charge then there will be no stacks of Induction, the only reason the talent was grabbed was for the 30% crit modifier to Maul. 23-11-7 is a waste because you are not even exploiting your best attack with max force regen. Darth Maul only works because of the new Darkswell talent. The 12 seconds of increased force regen every time you come out of stealth. Why did I take Thrashing Blades, that is a no brainer. I did not take any defensive talents out of the Darkness tree. Basically everything out of the Darkness tree was for utility while running Dark Charge.

One last time, I don't give two cents about the stacks of Induction or the Surging Charge talent. I run Dark Charge for the damage mitigation and the heals. If you read my post I broke down exactly why I took the talents I did and even parsed the damage potential of a Maul spam opener. I don't know why so many people got to discredit everything I say and try to educate me on my spec when they have not even ever tried it. I am trying to help YOU do better in wz's. If you are completely happy doing less than the AC can do then just stay with what you got. But last I checked there is no spec that can pump out over 2k dps during the opener. If you do disagree pls bring some solid evidence and facts from actually trying the spec. Don't just read a couple of the talents and claim there is no synergy.

The spec is called Dark Maul, Darkness tree, Dark Charge all while exploiting the Maul ability. Dark Maul. Not, Dark Surging Charge To Get Induction Stacks For No Reason.
No one is trying to discredit your build. You might want to relax a bit on a build thread, especially when its not even your thread.

As to your dark maul spec, I still don't understand some of the points if you are taking dark charge why not put the points in so that overcharge saber heals you for 10% health? If you do great. If you don't fine. I find insulation to not be as valuable as chain shock and I use maul running dark charge.

As to lightning charge spec as a viable spec with darkness, the bottomline to that was it wasn't providing the killing power of a pure deception/darkness build and seemed on pace with the damage darkness gave without the survivability. So. Good luck fellow sins. See you in game.
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Xethis
10.08.2012 , 08:35 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by PlagaNerezza View Post
No one is trying to discredit your build. You might want to relax a bit on a build thread, especially when its not even your thread.

As to your dark maul spec, I still don't understand some of the points if you are taking dark charge why not put the points in so that overcharge saber heals you for 10% health? If you do great. If you don't fine. I find insulation to not be as valuable as chain shock and I use maul running dark charge.
Feels like you have not even read anything I actually wrote, your just looking at the spec and not understanding. If you really do have questions then actually read my post, then actually try the spec. It is quite obvious you have done neither.

As far as the Hollow talent that gives you a 10% heal, that is a nice talent and if you want to tweak the 23 points a bit to get you the talent it wont hurt much. As for me personally I use Overcharge Saber right off the get go, when I am 100% health and when I have roughly 60% damage mitigation through Dark Charge and Darkswell. So the heal isn't needed. I found when I ran a full Darkness build that I ended up saving Overcharge Saber as a defensive cooldown instead of an offensive one. As of right now my first 12 sec is 100% offense.

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PlagaNerezza
10.08.2012 , 02:57 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Xethis View Post
Feels like you have not even read anything I actually wrote, your just looking at the spec and not understanding. If you really do have questions then actually read my post, then actually try the spec. It is quite obvious you have done neither.

As far as the Hollow talent that gives you a 10% heal, that is a nice talent and if you want to tweak the 23 points a bit to get you the talent it wont hurt much. As for me personally I use Overcharge Saber right off the get go, when I am 100% health and when I have roughly 60% damage mitigation through Dark Charge and Darkswell. So the heal isn't needed. I found when I ran a full Darkness build that I ended up saving Overcharge Saber as a defensive cooldown instead of an offensive one. As of right now my first 12 sec is 100% offense.
I run a 23 point darkness build currently. I told you I ran a very similar spec as you run, with some changes to better align my darkness tree with improved overcharge saber, for instance. I ran it without chain shock to take insulation. In fact I would tell you if your running deception with insulation you should take fade, but you don't like anyone making suggestions to you.

You have a full darkenss build options currently:

Darkness with heavy maul and chain shock (23/11/7)
Darkness with heavy maul and insulation
Darkness with death field and whirlwind and light maul. (23/1/17)
Darkness with Wither, chain shock (31/0/10)
Darkness with Wither, chain shock and heavy maul (31/3/7)
Darkness with Death Field, heavy maul and chain shock (23/5/15)
Darkness with Force Lightning, light maul, chain shock, Death Field (27/1/13)

All of these play slightly differently and I have played all of them. What I don't appreciate from you is this sense that dark maul was somehow your build that no one else plays or understands. There are many assassins who have had maul in builds as openers or finishers. Prior to its current revamp I found after much fighting that 31/0/10 pvp was the best build for the roll I played in warzones.

Maul is unpredictable. Unlike smash, or snipe or other big hitting skills it requires more timing to hit. To take insulation as your build has requires dropping a host very powerful attacks.

For instance, I enjoy using maul, but a lot of times having no instant cast attack I can use at 30m now is a big issue in your build. Especially with well structured groups or on fleeing targets. I find my build shares that issue. Having dealth field for instance helps to give us greater range and FL on x3 is very powerful with recklessness.

Wither is very useful to healers who get slowed/rooted. When you can slow down the attackers pursuing your guarded target and reducing the damage output you've taken stress off the healer.

I have played plenty in darkness. All I was looking to do is try some hybrid build specs. Maybe next time instead of saying you didn't try my build "Waaaa!", you could tell us or post to us stats, strengths, additional info, whatever to supplement your posts.

Instead of just falsely proclaiming we've never tried your build. I have tried a bunch. It makes pugging more fun. So please post your builds others. I am always looking for something fun to play.
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Squidkidz
10.08.2012 , 04:39 PM | #15
All these builds seem to kind of gimp Shock for some unnecessary damage reductions, for most of the cookie cutter builds Shock is the bread and butter and the most consistent damage ability. I recently revisited a spec I tried when 1.4 came out on the reccomendation of another assassin, and that would be this one right here
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PlagaNerezza
10.09.2012 , 12:11 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Squidkidz View Post
All these builds seem to kind of gimp Shock for some unnecessary damage reductions, for most of the cookie cutter builds Shock is the bread and butter and the most consistent damage ability. I recently revisited a spec I tried when 1.4 came out on the reccomendation of another assassin, and that would be this one right here
You do realize that not taking voltaic slash to have death field in the same post doesn't reconcile.

Also any darkness build that has chain shock is gimping shock how exactly?
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mikekrumbak
10.10.2012 , 04:07 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by PlagaNerezza View Post
You do realize that not taking voltaic slash to have death field in the same post doesn't reconcile.

Also any darkness build that has chain shock is gimping shock how exactly?
I think he means the 50% critical strike damage to shock you get from Crackling Blasts. I made up something similar when 1.4 came out, and Deathfield more than makes up for the 30% damage Voltiac Slash gives Shock. Discharge also hits like a truck with Cracling Blasts and Static Charges when it crits.There's also the fact that you get 30m ability which makes a lot of difference in pvp, for me atleast.

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PlagaNerezza
10.10.2012 , 08:05 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by mikekrumbak View Post
I think he means the 50% critical strike damage to shock you get from Crackling Blasts. I made up something similar when 1.4 came out, and Deathfield more than makes up for the 30% damage Voltiac Slash gives Shock. Discharge also hits like a truck with Cracling Blasts and Static Charges when it crits.There's also the fact that you get 30m ability which makes a lot of difference in pvp, for me atleast.
I don't disagree that a case can be made to not take voltaic slash for death field. I just found it odd for someone to say All those builds gimp shock! Use my build! Which opt to take death field over voltaic slash.

I like discharge a lot. The fact that its also a less target facing attack also makes it very useful as you are posiitoning.
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