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PuG Behavior in Flashpoints and Kicking


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ATAMIANM
10.09.2012 , 09:34 AM | #1
Last night I was in a PuG doing HM Boarding Party. No words were exchanged by anyone as the FP started, and we defeated the first boss easily. Everyone was greeding on items, including me When we defeated the second boss, a mod dropped that I needed on, after everyone had greeded. (it was a good mod for my comp). Almost immediately a vote kick came up on me where I was called a ninja. I responded to give me a break, and the initiator said "why should I? Do you have a comp I don't know about?" After a ridiculous question like that I was like fine, I'll quit the group and he responded back fine with all of us and they kicked me. (I actually had transported back to fleet at that point). I put everyone in the PuG on ignore.

So my question is, without anyone defining "rules" up front in a PuG, was I out of line? I suppose I could have asked if anyone minded if I needed on it, but can't think of anything else I could have done.
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Mavery
10.09.2012 , 09:41 AM | #2
Yes, you were in the wrong. You rolled need for a companion without telling anyone. Need is used for your main spec and not your companion.

Need rolling for companions is frowned upon.
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ATAMIANM
10.09.2012 , 09:42 AM | #3
Thanks. I will remember this.
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Veniras
10.09.2012 , 09:42 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by ATAMIANM View Post
So my question is, without anyone defining "rules" up front in a PuG, was I out of line? I suppose I could have asked if anyone minded if I needed on it, but can't think of anything else I could have done.
IMO, yes. Need if for YOUR OWN char. If you want it for a comp, ask first. Other players have comps too.

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TalantMAJR
10.09.2012 , 09:51 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by ATAMIANM View Post
So my question is, without anyone defining "rules" up front in a PuG, was I out of line? .
No, you were not out of line at all, for the reason i put in bold.
Without any defined rules, and once everyone else had voted greed, you were fine.
You could have asked, and they might not have cared at all.
But they said nothing, either.
These are the same people that quit because people don't spacebar (quickly enough).
Forget 'em, be happy they're on ignore.
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mikebevo
10.09.2012 , 10:03 AM | #6
Greed for companion, don't care what anyone says.

However, that is no reason to kick someone for 1 act. They overreacted. However, if you want to avoid being call a ninja in the future, just ask. Personally I have never refused anyone in a PUG I have been in, even when I could have used the item too. If they want it, I will pass. Even if someone needs everything, I will not kick. I will however put them on all my toons ignore list.

I do also find it funny that people get in a group, but don't even take the time to type "Hi". And we get social points doing these.

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Flaminica
10.09.2012 , 10:11 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by ATAMIANM View Post
So my question is, without anyone defining "rules" up front in a PuG, was I out of line?
A bit from Column A and a bit from Column B.

I play at odd hours so I do a lot of PuG flashpoints and I can't remember the last time someone asked at any point to define loot rules. It's pretty much universally understood that Need is for stuff that goes on your back exclusively. Companion loot is greeded unless you really have the hots for a piece, then you ask first, in which case I've never heard a team say no.

On the other hand, kicking you over what most people would consider a relatively minor looting faux pas is a trollish move. I've seen newbs Need on the wrong gear a few times and they generally get a mind scolding about proper etiquette.
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Jedi_Slayer
10.09.2012 , 10:22 AM | #8
I always ask if people care if I need even when I am the only scoundrel in the group. I think it's a matter of respect for strangers. I have never been told no, and have never said no to someone else. I have been lucky a few times where all the major loot was for my class, and it's gone the other way too. I find that 90% of the people I pug with are normally doing it for the BH comms anyways.

Asking takes 3 seconds and saves a world of trouble.

"May I need for self?"
"May I need for comp?"

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Master-Nala
10.09.2012 , 10:46 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedi_Slayer View Post
"May I need for self?"
"May I need for comp?"
The first question is always a 'yes' (Assuming you can use it - e.g. No needing on Aim gear on a Jedi). Anyone who thinks different is not someone you want to play with.

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bravotwentysev
10.09.2012 , 10:49 AM | #10
This sort of happended tome the other day. I just returned to the game and other day I did an EV raid. No loot rules were expressed when we started or when invited. I joined to get the feel of the game again. We got to the end and the raid speeder dropped. I didnt have it so i needed it. As soon as I won it 2 others sent me a tells saying everything is greeded out I cheated.

I told them nobody informed me and nothing was expressed when it dropped. The person who invited me didnt say anything about it was just the random pug invites didnt like it. They stated it common server rules all is greeded out unless it class armor need.

Umm is their some new server rule put inplace I dont know of?

It was an item i didnt have and could use. It's not my fault you didnt roll need and their were no loot rules stated upfront.