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TFB HM Loot tables


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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 06:19 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Insanooo View Post
This thread is pointless.

Dread guard is just like campaign, terrible itemization.

RE Everything. Learn recipes. Pool guild's mats. Distribute.
And you think thats fine? And that is the way to go? GG
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Insanooo
10.05.2012 , 06:41 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
And you think thats fine? And that is the way to go? GG
Why not? You think the gear is great as is? And that's the way to go? GG
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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 06:53 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Insanooo View Post
Why not? You think the gear is great as is? And that's the way to go? GG
And who tha hack is saying that it is??? Nvm, ure just trolling, its late and you have nothing to do. /ignore
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Insanooo
10.05.2012 , 06:58 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
And who tha hack is saying that it is??? Nvm, ure just trolling, its late and you have nothing to do. /ignore
Victory.
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Larry_Dallas
10.06.2012 , 12:40 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
It varies between classes. I was farming EC HM gear, and still had to buy about 8 BH healer boots (as an arsenal merc) for the mods I needed because the campaign gear was so badly itemized.

For everyone except pretty succesful raid groups, you'd be in full 61 mod gear (barring weapons) quicker by sucking up BH commendations than by braving EC HM.

Many raid groups STILL havent cleared EC HM, yet pretty much all non-raiding players in the 5 man pugs are sporting full 61 mods. What does that tell you?

There are many well thought out things in this game. Gear progression and gear itemization are not among them, in my opinion.
Yeah, but the problem with saying you'd be 'in full 61 mod gear" quicker via BH comms is two fold

1) doesn't say what the mods are. For Agents, nearly every black hole piece has a patron armoring....which is much worse for every spec of each AC than a 58 skill armoring.

2) black hole comms are far more accessible via raiding HM EC than they are by going non-raid routes. 1 clear gave, I think, more than 7 days of GF HMFP grinding

So running HMEC is still far, far faster than trying to gear up without raiding it: not only because campaign has far less to "fix" than black hole (for both agents and inquisitors, it's a night and day difference), but because HMEC provides better access to black hole pieces than GF or the black hole weekly. With your example of boots, you were likely getting close to 1 set per HM EC clear. Let's be conservative and say it took 3 hours per run to clear it. Through group finder, that would take, at minimum, 10 days, and doesn't factor in that people buying black hole--and only black hole--need to buy far more pieces total.

The reason you see people who haven't cleared HMEC in full 61 gear, even optimized 61 gear, is because 61 gear has been out a long damned time. Personally, I have no issue with two routes to the same gear: one harder, but quicker, one easier, but taking several times the man-hour investment in grinding.

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Kophar
10.06.2012 , 12:47 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
Personally, I have no issue with two routes to the same gear: one harder, but quicker, one easier, but taking several times the man-hour investment in grinding.
The problem is that the 1 supposed to be faster is now 3 times slower (TFB HM) and 1 that was slower is now 10 times slower (haznat implants)
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Larry_Dallas
10.07.2012 , 01:59 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
The problem is that the 1 supposed to be faster is now 3 times slower (TFB HM) and 1 that was slower is now 10 times slower (haznat implants)
In complete agreement. Just bugs me when people respond to something like your thread by telling you you shouldn't care about loot, then cry foul when someone else is given the ability to get loot via (lengthy) alternate means.

Either loot's not important or multiple methods of getting it is some kind of travesty. A person can argue one or the other. Not both.

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Grobluk
10.07.2012 , 03:01 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
2) black hole comms are far more accessible via raiding HM EC than they are by going non-raid routes. 1 clear gave, I think, more than 7 days of GF HMFP grinding
So people capable of clearing HM EC can gear up faster that way than by grinding BH comms. Well....yeah?

I am not talking about them, I am talking about the vast majority of players, who are NOT capable of clearing EC HM.

They would be absolutely correct in taking a long hard look at gear and saying: Why should I invest countless hours in rading and wiping, especially in a bad group that might never clear the place, when I can get pretty much the same gear relatively quickly by doing dailies?

Last tier, BH comms and BH gear was just too damn accessible to my mind, hence I don't mind this tier of gear being more restricted.

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Kophar
10.07.2012 , 05:52 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
So people capable of clearing HM EC can gear up faster that way than by grinding BH comms. Well....yeah?

I am not talking about them, I am talking about the vast majority of players, who are NOT capable of clearing EC HM.

They would be absolutely correct in taking a long hard look at gear and saying: Why should I invest countless hours in rading and wiping, especially in a bad group that might never clear the place, when I can get pretty much the same gear relatively quickly by doing dailies?

Last tier, BH comms and BH gear was just too damn accessible to my mind, hence I don't mind this tier of gear being more restricted.
Well BH and Hazmat having the same item rating than Campaign and Dread guard is just lame and it only adds up to my complain of the loot tables being completelly screwed up, loot tables or itemization, whatever you want to call it.
Put hazmat more restrictive but come on 10x times more the grinding and only 1 single drop of DG piece on 2nd and 3rd boss and only 1 single item piece of hazmant on 1st one is just... tbh im speechless with these changes and my guild as i allready warned is lacking motivation, 2 days in a row without having 8 peeps, hack even me am lacking motivation to log in to this game now, just for seeing the grinding pain it just transformed into.
Not to mention other annoying bugs, GTN search function still not working properlly, General chat is now instance restrictive (O.o), i wonder how guilds looking for players will cope now since we have NO guild recruitment tools, Kephess HM still have droids bugged, allmost 2 weeks have passed now since patch release and still no fixes in sights and what we hear from them is "Its a know bug, fixes are in order", honestly im loosing my patience on each patch that comes out screwing up something that did not even got touched in the patch.
Im loosing patience with them for not listening to their community properlly for example reguarding resolve bar changes in PvP, they did exactly the opposite of what we asked them too and quite frankly i just stopped PvPing in this game alltogether.
Im loosing my patience of getting bugs all over the board on each patch and taking 1-3 weeks to get them fixed.
Im sorelly disappointed on the grinding fest this game just turned to be on patch 1.4 with the new loot and commendation numbers.
Im tired of seeing the same lame itemization on items.
And im utterly bored of keep switching my toons in and out the entire day to keep making Crew skills each 30m-1hr since we dnt even have a queue system for crafting or some way of controling all of your chars in a crafting panel or something, so for now i just also stopped making crafting.
So pretty much im growing tired and im only logging for ops, well in the hope i have the numbers for ops that is and the only reason im still playing this game is because GW2 doesnt attract me and WoW, i played it for 7 years hardcore and im totally fed up with it not to mention that asiatic lore content is totally not for me nor is kung fu panda movies.
For 10 months i have been defending this game and BW, now... or they get their heads on the right path as they seemed to have done in 1.3 or when elder scrolls online, wildstar or WoD pops up im out of this boat.
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Savro
10.07.2012 , 07:22 AM | #60
I can't agree more. BW seems trying to loose people, it is difficult to find a design between too easy and frustrating. Before (BH/Campaign) it was too easy: you could take the mods from BH gear and put them on tionese gear and you had high-end stats and gear set bonus.
Now it is simply frustrating, doing some maths and considering the (rare) possibility that a 10 ppl guild can clear the content each run (every week because of the lockout) it would take 2 months and half just to gain 4 pieces of gear each one.... consider also that the pieces of gear give around 0.5% improvements over campaign and you can complete my reasoning.

looking it from a mercenary dps perspective it is something like: clear the operation 10 times (probably it will take 3-4 months because we are still at second boss) to gain 1% dps?!? It is simply frustrating.
I could do it for the appearence but, wait a minute, it is exactly the same as the blackhole/campaign i already have, only the color changes......................
It is better if i stop talking....