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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 12:17 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
Right, I have no problem with that. Firstly my goal is to clear TFB HM while having fun, not ensure that every single raid member has every possible gear piece.

Secondly I assume that other ways to gear up might present themselves (NiM modes), and even if they don't, I am fine with that too.

Last tier of gear you could farm dailies for BH gear. Shift the BH mods into Rakata gear from faceroll content, and in a short time have gear that was BETTER than Campaign gear, if you knew how to mod. The rational way to gear up was to farm BH commendations in dailies, not do PvE.

THAT was sick, in my opinion.
Well i agree with you that the main reason to clear something is a reward on itself, thats obvious but i stand my ground on the part that the gear loot tables should be consistent in properlly rewarding players inside ops and giving 1 loot drop to an 8 man grp surelly isnt properlly rewarding players.

On your 2nd remark i would have to say that putting DG set drops on future EC NM is trully lame on their part, since theyre forcing us to go back to farm on the same old content again for another 2-3 months.

On your last observation, i agree with you and that is also a part of the problem that im pointing to you guys, wich is that the entire loot table and loot alike are screwed up from the very beginning of this game and the problem here is that they arent fixing anything, theyre just giving us even more problems and their solution right now it seems, passes through tripling the time for farming gear just for the sake of extending for as long as possible current content.
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Larry_Dallas
10.05.2012 , 01:06 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Preludah View Post
Whining about the loot not coming to you fast enough just proves that youre raiding for the wrong reasons. Wich means you stating youre hardcore is really wrong
People like this guy are always the first in line to complain when, for instance, a heroic mission provides 5 (or whatever pittance it is, haven't done the black hole weekly since June) black hole comms per week.

"Lol, u dun raid for loot"

+

"Waaah! dey didun raid for loot"


Anyways, as has been reiterated by others, the reduction in loot combined with the far worse optimization in DG gear + the relative scarcity of valuable parts to DG gear is toxic soup and makes no sense.

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Larry_Dallas
10.05.2012 , 01:21 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
Right, I have no problem with that. Firstly my goal is to clear TFB HM while having fun, not ensure that every single raid member has every possible gear piece.

Secondly I assume that other ways to gear up might present themselves (NiM modes), and even if they don't, I am fine with that too.

Last tier of gear you could farm dailies for BH gear. Shift the BH mods into Rakata gear from faceroll content, and in a short time have gear that was BETTER than Campaign gear, if you knew how to mod. The rational way to gear up was to farm BH commendations in dailies, not do PvE.

THAT was sick, in my opinion.
Problem with this is the statement "in a short time." Don't know if you looked at the itemization in black hole, but it was as bad as DG or worse (which, since it was supplemental, was totally fine). There was usually one to two pieces for the base class that had unlettered mods (and they may have had unusable enhancements...high accuracy pieces for op healers or something of the sort). Without being able to clear EC, you'd be, at most, buying something like one glove per week for about 8 weeks just to get the mods you need and one armoring. You'd then have to farm one piece of each slot gear for the armoring. Then farm a couple pieces for the enhancements you didn't get, which, in some cases, aren't even available in gear for your AC (when I respecced my sorc to lightning, I needed another quick savant enhancement...and had to buy a bounty hunter piece to get it).

Basically, if anyone did this without clearing EC, it would have taken them 4 months or more, assuming they don't have several alts farming gf dailies to gear up one main. That's twice as long and many many many more man-hours spent gearing than it would have taken to just clear HM EC 8 times and fix your optimization from the comms that drop in the op (apart from a rare earpiece drop that I've still never seen, think I was best in slot after clear #5, though I did RE and craft a few enhancement schems and a mod, and kill NMP 3 timess).

So, yeah, they're geared the same, but at the cost of time spent gearing, which is, imo, fine.

But really, when someone goes out of their way to say that gear isn't a reason to raid, they can't turn around and complain that it's "sick" that someone can gear through a lengthy, non-raiding process, can they?

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10.05.2012 , 03:43 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
Last tier of gear you could farm dailies for BH gear. Shift the BH mods into Rakata gear from faceroll content, and in a short time have gear that was BETTER than Campaign gear, if you knew how to mod. The rational way to gear up was to farm BH commendations in dailies, not do PvE.

THAT was sick, in my opinion.
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Pplwithnolives
10.05.2012 , 03:56 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
Exactly



Check forums every single day and i never saw a zerg of posts complaining bout this. Saw QQers and Trolls whinning for everything really but zerg of posts reguarding too much loot? Nope




M8y u missed my point entirelly, i dnt mind farming the same content for 6 months if theres still players to equip themselves but we want to do that cause we want to, not because we need to, since the gaming company just thought to themselves "Hey lets take out loot drops from the tables and increase the life of this operation". This isnt how loot designs should be made man and this will cause peeps to get bored to go inside that op since only 1/8th of the op will be rewarded to actually kill a boss. EC NM introducing Dread guard gear is more of the same crappy loot tables theory but i can live with that. The problem here is putting peeps out of motivation to go in there due to the extreme low number on loot drops.



Again youre not thinking for a minute here and youre just raging around. Put it on the same plate the 1st boss on EC HM and the 1st Boss on TFB HM. Now, EC HM 1st boss drops 2 pieces of campaign and 1 BH while 1st boss in TFB HM drops only 1 piece of hazmat and not even Dread guard. The same 8 guys in EC will take in 8 weeks to have 2 pieces of campaign gear and a third BH while in TFB HM ull have after the same 8 weeks 1 piece of Hazmat?!
Seriously youre not seeing a bad pattern??? Its a difference 3 to 1? And you dnt see a problem here??Seriously.
I could even live with only 2 drops for example, 1 DG and 1 Hazmat but only 1 and not even DG???




You must be confusing me with the zillion trolls that are/were around in these forums. Go and look my posting history, if theres a common pattern in my speech between all of the +40-50 posts/replys ive made so far, was to defend SWTOR and its potential.
This is my 1st post making a critic on this game, they touched on something they dnt needed to touch. The loot quantity was balanced. The loot tier drops were crap but we can perfectly live with that.
Those that whine cause they geared up fast are/were just trolling.
And i would appreciate it m8y if you would take the sarcasm out of your replys, i believe you dnt have the need for it. You arent replying to a hater here man, chill.
First off, you obviously don't read forums that much. There was a thread not too long after 1.3 where people said "WOW FULL BH GEAR JUST AS GOOD AS CAMPAIGN GEAR WITHOUT STEPPING INTO HM EC DA*** BIOWARE?!" (cause of augments and easy BH comms). Second off, gee maybe Bioware wants you not to blow through this content like you did the other patches. So they can get you off their asses for a few months until 1.5. So ya stop ************. If you're guild is hardcore, then maybe you all should be thrilled about DOWING THE FIRST BOSS AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT LOOT!
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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 04:03 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Pplwithnolives View Post
First off, you obviously don't read forums that much. There was a thread not too long after 1.3 where people said "WOW FULL BH GEAR JUST AS GOOD AS CAMPAIGN GEAR WITHOUT STEPPING INTO HM EC DA*** BIOWARE?!" (cause of augments and easy BH comms).
Actually i come to forums every single day and i aint talking talking or arguing with the BH comms being equal to campaign gear, yes that is an issue but my post wasnt about that at all, l2read.


Quote: Originally Posted by Pplwithnolives View Post
Second off, gee maybe Bioware wants you not to blow through this content like you did the other patches. So they can get you off their asses for a few months until 1.5. So ya stop ************. If you're guild is hardcore, then maybe you all should be thrilled about DOWING THE FIRST BOSS AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT LOOT!
You will see how well you will cope with that when ull be farming TFB HM for over 5-6 months without a new op popping up or better yet if they do realease a new op will be still be stuck on old content cause plain and simple you couldnt equip your guild faster than that cause the loot numbers dnt allow for a faster gearing up. We will see about how the supposed "hardcore players have no interest in loot" will still be moralized to keep farming every single day the same content.
I was glad with the progression on EC HM and i was glad with the loot numbers but after 1-2 months later we still need campaign drops from there and what im seeing now is that instead of 2-3 months farming an op i will be stucked to farm TFB HM for 5-6 months and you say that is a good thing? Right...
Look i aint saying for them to throw me 4 pieces of gear man, im saying that only 1 loot drop isnt clearly enough and you agreeing that it is just shocks me to the bone, killing a boss is a REWARD BY ITSELF BUT IT ISNT EVERYTHING!!
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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 04:12 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
People like this guy are always the first in line to complain when, for instance, a heroic mission provides 5 (or whatever pittance it is, haven't done the black hole weekly since June) black hole comms per week.

"Lol, u dun raid for loot"

+

"Waaah! dey didun raid for loot"


Anyways, as has been reiterated by others, the reduction in loot combined with the far worse optimization in DG gear + the relative scarcity of valuable parts to DG gear is toxic soup and makes no sense.
Amen brother
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Grobluk
10.05.2012 , 04:31 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
Problem with this is the statement "in a short time." Don't know if you looked at the itemization in black hole, but it was as bad as DG or worse (which, since it was supplemental, was totally fine). There was usually one to two pieces for the base class that had unlettered mods (and they may have had unusable enhancements...high accuracy pieces for op healers or something of the sort). Without being able to clear EC, you'd be, at most, buying something like one glove per week for about 8 weeks just to get the mods you need and one armoring.
It varies between classes. I was farming EC HM gear, and still had to buy about 8 BH healer boots (as an arsenal merc) for the mods I needed because the campaign gear was so badly itemized.

For everyone except pretty succesful raid groups, you'd be in full 61 mod gear (barring weapons) quicker by sucking up BH commendations than by braving EC HM.

Many raid groups STILL havent cleared EC HM, yet pretty much all non-raiding players in the 5 man pugs are sporting full 61 mods. What does that tell you?

There are many well thought out things in this game. Gear progression and gear itemization are not among them, in my opinion.

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Kophar
10.05.2012 , 04:47 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Grobluk View Post
It varies between classes. I was farming EC HM gear, and still had to buy about 8 BH healer boots (as an arsenal merc) for the mods I needed because the campaign gear was so badly itemized.

For everyone except pretty succesful raid groups, you'd be in full 61 mod gear (barring weapons) quicker by sucking up BH commendations than by braving EC HM.

Many raid groups STILL havent cleared EC HM, yet pretty much all non-raiding players in the 5 man pugs are sporting full 61 mods. What does that tell you?

There are many well thought out things in this game. Gear progression and gear itemization are not among them, in my opinion.
Aye, totally agree with ya.
I know that every MMO have a grinding feature and i support them ofc but with this new approach to end content gear, this game has just turned itself to be the most grindable game i saw till date for the end gear.
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Insanooo
10.05.2012 , 06:10 PM | #50
This thread is pointless.

Dread guard is just like campaign, terrible itemization.

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