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TUXs
10.04.2012 , 02:38 PM | #41
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I believe...
I believe you're setting yourself up for massive disappointment. I believe you should accept the game for what it is now, with 'hope' that it'll get better. I believe you should set your bar for expectations extremely low, but hope to be blown away.
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Paintcheck
10.04.2012 , 03:59 PM | #42
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So they fell behind schedule a bit. A lot of people didn't wanna wait around and see what the future would bring, which of course forced Bioware to change their plans somewhat. I really don't see what is so sensational with this quote. It's the latest forum fad to spread this around, but seriously... And, hell - 2012 is far from over yet.
Because when you are trying to justify a $15/month subscription cost in a world that has largely moved past that model it requires you to actually make good on your promises of content. If TOR was free to play from the beginning no one would care. It wasn't and it's suffering mightily for that.

I wish I shared your optimism but with the layoffs I have a hard time believing there is any meaningful content coming down the pipe beyond Makeb.

Tux has the right attitude.

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Tim-ONeil
10.04.2012 , 04:08 PM | #43
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Because when you are trying to justify a $15/month subscription cost in a world that has largely moved past that model it requires you to actually make good on your promises of content. If TOR was free to play from the beginning no one would care. It wasn't and it's suffering mightily for that.

I wish I shared your optimism but with the layoffs I have a hard time believing there is any meaningful content coming down the pipe beyond Makeb.

Tux has the right attitude.
Tux and I agree on something

However your statement that $15 a month is hard to justify just blows my mind. It's such a small amount of money for anyone that has an income that I find it hard to believe it has to be justified beyond the do you want to play the game or not. The amount itself is trivial. Anyone in a financial position to argue it's not a trivial amount probably has way more to worry about day to day than this game.

Call me old school but MMO = $15 per month that has always been my mindset when I decided to play one. I guess maybe it's a console mentality that you play the game for however many hours and move on. These games are meant to be played indefinitely and the player needs to have that mindset going into it.

$15 a month and unlimited playtime. The only limit is your own schedule. Best deal in entertainment.
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Trenter
10.04.2012 , 04:22 PM | #44
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Because when you are trying to justify a $15/month subscription cost in a world that has largely moved past that model it requires you to actually make good on your promises of content. If TOR was free to play from the beginning no one would care. It wasn't and it's suffering mightily for that.

I wish I shared your optimism but with the layoffs I have a hard time believing there is any meaningful content coming down the pipe beyond Makeb.

Tux has the right attitude.
Oh, I'm not too optimistic myself actually. I was just stating a fact - 2012 is not over. I'm just saying I don't get what is so special about that quote. People left. We know they left. Why is it such a surprise Bioware couldn't deliver their plans as they hoped?
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tolaf
10.04.2012 , 04:25 PM | #45
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Oh, I'm not too optimistic myself actually. I was just stating a fact - 2012 is not over. I'm just saying I don't get what is so special about that quote. People left. We know they left. Why is it such a surprise Bioware couldn't deliver their plans as they hoped?
Yes, but several months pass between each major update, and i don't think they will have enough content ready to justify another one so soon.
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Addaib
10.04.2012 , 04:33 PM | #46
Responding to the OP. I think anyone who is not largely happy with the huge amount of front loaded material in the way of class and planet stories etc. is headed for disappointment. As a person that like's playing alts, and all the class stories, and so on, I can deal with the slow way Bio-ware has released new content, but anyone who does not have an attitude like that I think is going to be headed for some serious grief.

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TUXs
10.04.2012 , 04:38 PM | #47
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Tux and I agree on something

$15 a month and unlimited playtime. The only limit is your own schedule. Best deal in entertainment.
You might be surprised by how much we agree upon things We may approach the issues differently, but I think we have a lot more in common than we don't

And yeah, $15 a month is 3 drinks at a bar, 2 lunches at Panera...it's really not that much for the hours of entertainment you can have. Netflix is $7.99 and I don't watch 3 hours a month on it.
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Lord_Ravenhurst
10.05.2012 , 02:06 AM | #48
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I believe you're setting yourself up for massive disappointment. I believe you should accept the game for what it is now, with 'hope' that it'll get better. I believe you should set your bar for expectations extremely low, but hope to be blown away.
So you think itīs all empty promises with only.. what, 20% chance to meet expectations? The "tons of content" and "SSSP talk" ?

Have to admit I am waiting for new ways to play the game, not more of the same because there are already tons of class story (alts) I havenīt even seen, and other instanced ground combat FPs/OPs, letīs go to the stars and make this worlds and planets come alive, like in the movies, that is how they should invest their time.
Also this game could need at least 5 more selectable warzones at once, as fun as Huttball is I am getting a *little* tired of the map.

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Goretzu
10.05.2012 , 02:14 AM | #49
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Oh, I'm not too optimistic myself actually. I was just stating a fact - 2012 is not over. I'm just saying I don't get what is so special about that quote. People left. We know they left. Why is it such a surprise Bioware couldn't deliver their plans as they hoped?
They've now said content every 6 weeks, rather than 4 weeks, as things stand content every 12 weeks is something that are more likely beable to actually DO (and I wish that was what they had said).

Wild promises.......... there have been FAR TOO MANY OF THEM in SWTOR already.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Lord_Ravenhurst
10.05.2012 , 03:56 AM | #50
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They've now said content every 6 weeks, rather than 4 weeks, as things stand content every 12 weeks is something that are more likely beable to actually DO (and I wish that was what they had said).

Wild promises.......... there have been FAR TOO MANY OF THEM in SWTOR already.
If the content every 6 weeks is tiny, why not?

Look at the HK51, that has been announced months ago. I consider it a medium size piece of new stuff - ok itīs a companion with a few voiceovers and there is fully voiced questline. Question is how long will that take to finish? 2 hours? 5 hours? 10 hours?