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Consular PvE low DPS and other issues?

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Consular PvE low DPS and other issues?

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PPAlien
10.04.2012 , 10:30 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Teioh_White View Post
I dunno, one our dps is a Madness Sin, and he gets 1850 or so on a dummy, and parses even with the sniper and the mara in actual Ops.
Hey Teioh_White, could you provide the character name of your madness sin friend? Wouldn't mind seeing if they have some logs on torparse or somewhere to get some ideas for increasing dps.

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scionofhorus
10.05.2012 , 12:00 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by PPAlien View Post
Secondly, our dps is not that bad. I am generally equalling my raids sentinel and commando dps, even with slightly less gear.
Commando DPS caps out at around 1400 or so, so your sentinels are probably pretty bad.

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wolfyrik
10.05.2012 , 03:01 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
So... let me get this straight: you're expecting to be able to do whatever you want and get comparable numbers with someone who optimizes?

Do you not understand how absurd that is?
Do you realise how absurd your post is? That's not what I said at all, I pointed out several times that I didn't expect the high numbers. The point is that there should be a third option between a build being optimal or weak. Game mechanics should allow for builds that under agood play can still get results, obviously not quite as well as the optimal build, but still decent. I was a very successful Druid player on WoW back before, never once used the favored speccs. Because I used the skills well, I saved many a raid. My KoToR builds similarly chosen. Not optimal but very effective for my style of play. Even my agent and smuggler on this are not optimal builds but are damned effective. The problem seems to be with Shadow mostly but to be fair I have only tried 5 classes. It's just too many conflicting design ideas mashed together and it just doesn't seem to allow for variation.

I think shadows problem is that the skills you need to make the infil. builds work, don't come until very high high levels and talent points, so until you get there it starts off slowly, becomes a slog then starts to ease off a bit towards the end. It's a bit *** backwards really, starting off with all the skills you don't need then working up to the core skills, rather than getting the skills you need first then building up on extras to define your own variations.

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Khevar
10.05.2012 , 05:03 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
Commando DPS caps out at around 1400 or so, so your sentinels are probably pretty bad.
Silly rabbit.

I easily pull more than that on my Commando during HM EC, and I'm not wearing BiS nor am I the best Commando player in my group.

If you think Commando dps "caps out" at 1400 you should probably meet some that don't suck.

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scionofhorus
10.05.2012 , 10:40 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Silly rabbit.

I easily pull more than that on my Commando during HM EC, and I'm not wearing BiS nor am I the best Commando player in my group.

If you think Commando dps "caps out" at 1400 you should probably meet some that don't suck.
Please link me to some logs on boss fights where you pull sustained DPS over 1400.

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DarkAkra
10.06.2012 , 01:34 AM | #26
As soon as I find it and figure out how to upload, ill post last parser from TfB HM first boss where sustained over the entire fight was 1760. I was on the boss 90% of the time to beat enrage timer and this is on my Balance Shadow

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Khevar
10.06.2012 , 10:37 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
Please link me to some logs on boss fights where you pull sustained DPS
over 1400.
Here are combat logs from a number of different players:

Commando dps:
SM Gharj, 1545 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=23,b=1

SM Jarg/Sorno, 1567 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=16,b=1

SM Toth/Zorn, 1515 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...0,f=2,t=11,b=1

HM Foreman Crusher, 1545 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=39,b=1

HM Karagga, 1639 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=36,b=1

HM Firebrand/Stormcaller, 1550 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=17,b=1

Mercenary dps (mirror class):
HM Annihilation Droid, 1597 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...=0,f=2,t=2,b=1

HM Bonethrasher, 1734 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=22,b=1

HM Toth/Zorn, 1551 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...ew#d=0,f=1,b=1

HM Kephess, 1661 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...w#d=0,f=28,b=1

NM Annihilation droid (16man), 1890 dps, 1713 dps, 1605 dps, 1456 dps
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...0,f=3,t=21,b=1

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jonezyboy
10.17.2012 , 09:09 AM | #28
If as a shadow you are pulling low dps you are either not geared right or not playing right. Shadows in blance spec are the first or second highest dps class in the game. I dont know who you all have in your guids that play shadow but if they are pulling ow numbers they just dont know what they are doing. Also with the changes to infiltration I can keep up with and sometimes out dps a balance spec shadow if the fight has any type of break in the action. Either spec just has a different pay style you have to adjust for. As a shadow with any dps spec stack power and surge as much as you can. if you dont have 900+ bonus damage then you are wrong that is for PVE and PVP. You should only have between 20 and 25 percent crit unbuffed and 95-96 percent accuracy. Everything else should be wilpower power and surge. Do this learn to use your skills and in pvp and pve there is no other class that can touch you in damage. Also you have to understand that shadow are more of a single target class so in fights with aoe situations we will fall behind on damage. That should be expected high numbers are not everything. And I do even need to discuss or damge out put for pvp. If you cant kill every class other than classes in tank spec in 4 attacks or less as a shadow you simply dont know what you are doing if in infiltration spec and less than 5 attacks in balance spec. If you have any doubts to what I say create a toon on the harbinger and test my guild Dead weight and our shadows will destroy you and you wil be able to see waht a shadow is capable of.

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LuciferinDNA
10.17.2012 , 10:09 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Innocences View Post
Who here thinks the Shadow is nothing more than a merger DPS character? To me it's DPS is very much lacking in PvE. People claim it's burst DPS is so great and yet with all the stuns and knock backs you rarely get a full DPS burst on anything but a weak NPC. So what does the consular need? Shorter cool downs on sprint burst and force cloak? A low leveled, under geared, Scoundrel can do more DPS than my L50 Shadow can do. The scoundrel can do 4000+ damage and that's not even crit damage, where as I'm doing the same with crits and 60% black hole gear.

Now I'm talking to those shadows that PvE. Not PvP players owning nubs with high level PvP gear. So how does BW fix this class that's been so neglected for so long? I'm talking about mediocre DPS, ugly gear looks, we are required to spend twice as much to get the correct black hole stats and etc. Why are we so hated by BW and why has nothing been done? Rise up fellow shadows! Say something.
+1
Everyone knows it, every one see it, even BW. I can imagine, that if Consular classes would get some upgrade and Sage would act like a scoundrel healer (unlimited ista, free heal for target under 30% hp, insta aoe heal...) Shadow would have the same dps, dmg out come like knight/warrior class has now, there would be a so incredible crying on the forum from the other side, that we can't even imagine it! Thats way BW afraid of do anything....
The only thing what we can do to share our opinion, but prepare, that the 60% of the pvp/pve, class advantage, disadvantage will be decided here on the forum. The oposit classes visiting the forum, they know well there advantage and will lobby for there class. I will never believe that lie, that in a thread where you wanna suggest to upgrade Consular, will post the inverse or would go against you whos main class is consular - no one should eat it , ) They clearly lobby, and by the way, thats how it should be

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LuciferinDNA
10.17.2012 , 10:22 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by jonezyboy View Post
If as a shadow you are pulling low dps you are either not geared right or not playing right. Shadows in blance spec are the first or second highest dps class in the game. I dont know who you all have in your guids that play shadow but if they are pulling ow numbers they just dont know what they are doing. Also with the changes to infiltration I can keep up with and sometimes out dps a balance spec shadow if the fight has any type of break in the action. Either spec just has a different pay style you have to adjust for. As a shadow with any dps spec stack power and surge as much as you can. if you dont have 900+ bonus damage then you are wrong that is for PVE and PVP. You should only have between 20 and 25 percent crit unbuffed and 95-96 percent accuracy. Everything else should be wilpower power and surge. Do this learn to use your skills and in pvp and pve there is no other class that can touch you in damage. Also you have to understand that shadow are more of a single target class so in fights with aoe situations we will fall behind on damage. That should be expected high numbers are not everything. And I do even need to discuss or damge out put for pvp. If you cant kill every class other than classes in tank spec in 4 attacks or less as a shadow you simply dont know what you are doing if in infiltration spec and less than 5 attacks in balance spec. If you have any doubts to what I say create a toon on the harbinger and test my guild Dead weight and our shadows will destroy you and you wil be able to see waht a shadow is capable of.
Epic lobby for your main class! Gratz! quite plausible , )

When you suggest something like "Everything else should be wilpower power and surge" -
http://www.jedilace.com/2012/02/01/w...for-digestion/
When was the last time, when you played with your Shadow? : ) who is " the first or second highest dps class in the game" ? : )