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Kophar
10.03.2012 , 05:50 PM | #1
Good evening,

We have just killed the 1st boss in TFB HM and obviously we were all happy about it untill we saw what dropped.
Seriously?! 1 single piece of hazmat loot? Are you guys kdding with me??
Where is the incentive of putting my players inside that operation when peeps allready know that they will start receiving dread guard gear only from 2nd boss and up, not to mention its only 1 piece.
The rate you guys were givin in EC HM was excellent, 2 Campaign and 1 BH, why in the nine worlds have you change that????!!!!
The loot tables on this game have been awfull from the beginning, it is the weakest point in this game. Ranging from item stats to making NM's that drop exactly the same gear that it drops on HM and now this but ive been hoping you guys learn something.
My entire op was demotivated for the 2nd boss immediatly just for seeing the loot tables on dulfy from TBC. 1 single piece of gear on 1st boss and not even dread guard and 1 single piece of gear on the 2nd boss, sigh.. i dnt know what you guys are trying here BW but ure really pushing it now.
I can live with every single bug that there is in this game since launch and i have been a strong defender of this game potential and i still am but your loot tables really suck and the way you have designed the loot tables on TFB HM in terms of numbers and quality per boss is a joke. Do you even realise how long it will take to equip a guild of 10-11 hardcore players, do you? Weve spent 1 month on EC Hm and we arent full campaign yet, so by this pace it will take us 4-5 months to equip everyone in dread guard and that is something im telling you right now, it will put my hardcore players out of this game.
Just to put you out an example, if a guild just kills the 1st boss HM, it will take them around minimum, and im taking out repetition of drops here, 8 weeks to equip everyone on my ops with that item piece. 2 MONTHS!! REALLY, come on!!!!!
What the hack have crossed your minds to put just 1 drop of gear on TFB bosses, or at least in the 1st 2-3, is really beyond me. From all the rubbish you have made in loot tables since launch this is the most uncompreensive one.
Give again 3 pieces of loot per boss as it was on EC HM, 2 dread guard tokens and 1 hazmat. The loot distribution was fine on EC, why did u change this really?!?! FIX IT!!
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Iwipe
10.03.2012 , 06:04 PM | #2
I recall them saying (I think it was the 2nd official podcast?) that Denova Nightmare is suppose to speed up the gearing process. if Denova NM is released soon, this could solve some of the gearing issues.

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Kophar
10.03.2012 , 06:08 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Iwipe View Post
I recall them saying (I think it was the 2nd official podcast?) that Denova Nightmare is suppose to speed up the gearing process. if Denova NM is released soon, this could solve some of the gearing issues.
At the cost of what? You think Denova NM will be on reach to every guild???! Hack, tons of guilds havent even cleared EC HM completelly, let alone start going to NM. This is not the way to go man, get real here. This will destroy whats left of the incentive on the hardcore players.
MMO's are bout loot tables, that is the incentive to peeps. If that incentive is lacking than the game is lacking to hardcores.
I aint saying that killing bosses isnt the main goal but that main goal must be achieved with a reward and giving a guild that wipes on a certain boss HM and finnaly bring him down a single piece of an item that not even is dreadguard is just pure and simple ridiculous.
I talk for myself here but everyone on my guild also agrees with me when i say this, atm i feel unmotivated to go to TFB HM again or in the next reset. The only good reason is to kill bosses and to have a progression marker but that isnt everything. We want to kill stuff but we want to be properlly awarded for that and this loot tables are plain and simple RUBBISH. Im telling you right now, this will kill my guild sooner or later.
From all the bad decisions theyve made so far, weve endured, i dnt know if we will endure this tho.
What are they trying to do actually?? Streching the rope iot release the next operation only in 6 months from now or something? This isnt the way to do things reguarding end content loot tables.
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Larry_Dallas
10.03.2012 , 08:00 PM | #4
I agree. This is an example of fixing something that worked fine and breaking it. After GF came out, gear was at a good pace. Campaign was decently optimized, and any that wasn't would be supplemented with black hole comms. If you didn't need anything, you could buy pieces to RE, which was good for the economy. Good model.

The loot model (and optimization) for the next tier is pretty much terrible.

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AshlaBoga
10.03.2012 , 11:41 PM | #5
Going to level with you here, I've never seen gear as the real reward in endgame.
Gear allows people to do the tougher endgame content (although let's face it, prior to HM Terror we never really had an difficult content in this game) and thus is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.

That's why I never complained about Nightmare EV/KP dropping Rakata, because for a long time there was no content after Nightmare EV/KP and thus no need for better gear.

For people who raid for a sense of Camaraderie and accomplishment, it's the challenge that gives you that warm feeling inside when you clear an Operation after hours of wipes. Gear's nice, but it's there to make it feasible to do new content, not the reward for doing new content.

Now, if you're so good that HM TFB bored you... then yes, that's a legitimate complaint.
I'm still only 2/5 HM and must have wiped a hour on HM Writhing Horror alone, so I'm liking the new stuff.
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thierryfying
10.03.2012 , 11:50 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
At the cost of what? You think Denova NM will be on reach to every guild???! Hack, tons of guilds havent even cleared EC HM completelly, let alone start going to NM. This is not the way to go man, get real here. This will destroy whats left of the incentive on the hardcore players.
MMO's are bout loot tables, that is the incentive to peeps. If that incentive is lacking than the game is lacking to hardcores.
I aint saying that killing bosses isnt the main goal but that main goal must be achieved with a reward and giving a guild that wipes on a certain boss HM and finnaly bring him down a single piece of an item that not even is dreadguard is just pure and simple ridiculous.
I talk for myself here but everyone on my guild also agrees with me when i say this, atm i feel unmotivated to go to TFB HM again or in the next reset. The only good reason is to kill bosses and to have a progression marker but that isnt everything. We want to kill stuff but we want to be properlly awarded for that and this loot tables are plain and simple RUBBISH. Im telling you right now, this will kill my guild sooner or later.
From all the bad decisions theyve made so far, weve endured, i dnt know if we will endure this tho.
What are they trying to do actually?? Streching the rope iot release the next operation only in 6 months from now or something? This isnt the way to do things reguarding end content loot tables.
IF they have not cleared EC HM, they should NOT be doing TFB HM.

iF they're not doing TFB HM, and later on EC Nightmare, then they should NOT be receiving dread guard gear.

Now, you mention incentives.

BW has already stated that EC nightmare will complement TFB HM in terms of gearing (rank 63). Translation: they will drop the same loot rank.

IF they give a full dread guard set in TFB HM, what is the incentive for doing EC Nightmare?

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alifaraaz
10.04.2012 , 12:29 AM | #7
So...does anyone remember when dozens and dozens of players actually complained that gearing up in this game is too quick? How many guilds were full Rakata by Feb and full Campaign by mid May?
This is pretty much tthe result of them agreeing it was too quick to gear up. The changes to the amount and ease of obtaining black hole comms also reflects this.

Secondly as mentioned, EC Nightmare will pretty much double the speed of obtaining gear once you're farming both. And I assume this is why the loot in TfB is so random. To avoid the problem EV and KP had, where so many groups maxed out all the gear EV had to offer just waiting for KP. Now with the somewhat randomness it won't be quite so linear as long as EC Nightmare is released within say a month or two at most.
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Twolightsabers
10.04.2012 , 01:47 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
The rate you guys were givin in EC HM was excellent, 2 Campaign and 1 BH, why in the nine worlds have you change that????!!!!
Clearly to piss you off.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
The loot tables on this game have been awfull from the beginning, it is the weakest point in this game.
Really? All the issues with SWTOR and you think this is the low point?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
I can live with every single bug that there is in this game since launch and i have been a strong defender of this game potential and i still am but your loot tables really suck and the way you have designed the loot tables on TFB HM in terms of numbers and quality per boss is a joke.
You can live with all of these bugs but the LOOT TABLE is the breaking point for you? You're yanking our chains right?

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Do you even realise how long it will take to equip a guild of 10-11 hardcore players, do you?
Pretty sure they do, as they want it to last a while and keep the "zomg loot is so ez 2 get" QQ to a minimum.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
Weve spent 1 month on EC Hm and we arent full campaign yet, so by this pace it will take us 4-5 months to equip everyone in dread guard and that is something im telling you right now, it will put my hardcore players out of this game.
If doing the same content for 4 months kills the game for your players, they really aren't as "hardcore" as you think.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kophar View Post
Just to put you out an example, if a guild just kills the 1st boss HM, it will take them around minimum, and im taking out repetition of drops here, 8 weeks to equip everyone on my ops with that item piece. 2 MONTHS!! REALLY, come on!!!!!
Do you mean EIGHT WHOLE WEEKS??? The exact amount of time as it takes to get 8 people the same drop from doing just the first boss in EC? The very SAME op you said had a well-designed loot table? How does your guild find the strength to go on?

Seriously though dude, while I feel your pain at the odd choices Bioware has made for loot (don't get me started on the pisspoor mod/armoring/enhancement optimizations), you really seem a bit melodramatic here. The game isn't ruined because you didn't get 2 DG tokens off the first boss and if you did, odds are you'd be back here after 8 weeks lamenting that TFB was too easy to gear in and your guild of "hardcore players" quit due to boredom instead of lootrage.

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Larry_Dallas
10.04.2012 , 01:55 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
Going to level with you here, I've never seen gear as the real reward in endgame.
Gear allows people to do the tougher endgame content (although let's face it, prior to HM Terror we never really had an difficult content in this game) and thus is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.

That's why I never complained about Nightmare EV/KP dropping Rakata, because for a long time there was no content after Nightmare EV/KP and thus no need for better gear.

For people who raid for a sense of Camaraderie and accomplishment, it's the challenge that gives you that warm feeling inside when you clear an Operation after hours of wipes. Gear's nice, but it's there to make it feasible to do new content, not the reward for doing new content.

Now, if you're so good that HM TFB bored you... then yes, that's a legitimate complaint.
I'm still only 2/5 HM and must have wiped a hour on HM Writhing Horror alone, so I'm liking the new stuff.
If that were the case, you wouldn't see people raging if gear is made even slightly more accessible. You do.

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Kophar
10.04.2012 , 03:32 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Twolightsabers View Post
Really? All the issues with SWTOR and you think this is the low point?
Exactly

Quote: Originally Posted by Twolightsabers View Post
Pretty sure they do, as they want it to last a while and keep the "zomg loot is so ez 2 get" QQ to a minimum.?
Check forums every single day and i never saw a zerg of posts complaining bout this. Saw QQers and Trolls whinning for everything really but zerg of posts reguarding too much loot? Nope


Quote: Originally Posted by Twolightsabers View Post
If doing the same content for 4 months kills the game for your players, they really aren't as "hardcore" as you think.
M8y u missed my point entirelly, i dnt mind farming the same content for 6 months if theres still players to equip themselves but we want to do that cause we want to, not because we need to, since the gaming company just thought to themselves "Hey lets take out loot drops from the tables and increase the life of this operation". This isnt how loot designs should be made man and this will cause peeps to get bored to go inside that op since only 1/8th of the op will be rewarded to actually kill a boss. EC NM introducing Dread guard gear is more of the same crappy loot tables theory but i can live with that. The problem here is putting peeps out of motivation to go in there due to the extreme low number on loot drops.

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Do you mean EIGHT WHOLE WEEKS??? The exact amount of time as it takes to get 8 people the same drop from doing just the first boss in EC? The very SAME op you said had a well-designed loot table? How does your guild find the strength to go on?
Again youre not thinking for a minute here and youre just raging around. Put it on the same plate the 1st boss on EC HM and the 1st Boss on TFB HM. Now, EC HM 1st boss drops 2 pieces of campaign and 1 BH while 1st boss in TFB HM drops only 1 piece of hazmat and not even Dread guard. The same 8 guys in EC will take in 8 weeks to have 2 pieces of campaign gear and a third BH while in TFB HM ull have after the same 8 weeks 1 piece of Hazmat?!
Seriously youre not seeing a bad pattern??? Its a difference 3 to 1? And you dnt see a problem here??Seriously.
I could even live with only 2 drops for example, 1 DG and 1 Hazmat but only 1 and not even DG???


Quote: Originally Posted by Twolightsabers View Post
Seriously though dude, while I feel your pain at the odd choices Bioware has made for loot (don't get me started on the pisspoor mod/armoring/enhancement optimizations), you really seem a bit melodramatic here. The game isn't ruined because you didn't get 2 DG tokens off the first boss and if you did, odds are you'd be back here after 8 weeks lamenting that TFB was too easy to gear in and your guild of "hardcore players" quit due to boredom instead of lootrage.
You must be confusing me with the zillion trolls that are/were around in these forums. Go and look my posting history, if theres a common pattern in my speech between all of the +40-50 posts/replys ive made so far, was to defend SWTOR and its potential.
This is my 1st post making a critic on this game, they touched on something they dnt needed to touch. The loot quantity was balanced. The loot tier drops were crap but we can perfectly live with that.
Those that whine cause they geared up fast are/were just trolling.
And i would appreciate it m8y if you would take the sarcasm out of your replys, i believe you dnt have the need for it. You arent replying to a hater here man, chill.
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