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Why I hate 70% of Sith Players


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elliotcat
09.26.2012 , 12:41 PM | #31
So I do play a Sith, and I have to agree that there are a lot of people who make things difficult. However, there are a couple of issues with the OP that I noticed.

Regarding the non-FS thing - that's Imperial culture. Do you have to bow to Sith and call them "my lord"? Yes, you do. That's protocol in the Empire. Hell, I play a Sith who's fairly light-side and a Revanite, and she still expects that level of respect. It's not about dominating others, it's about people seeing you as a leader and an important part of the Empire.

I've had bounty hunters come up to me and have a conversation, and when Latula (my Sith) gently reminds them that they should follow proper Imperial protocol when addressing Sith, have refused to do so. A different sort of Sith might have Force-choked him for that. It's considered having proper manners.

The Darth title - well, if a character is wearing it, you probably ought to respect his or her rank. Again, it's part of having manners in the Empire. If you don't like calling people "my lord" or having to RP yourself as ranking lower than a Sith, play Republic. It's part of Imperial culture.

I half-agree on the "Sith rules" stuff. If you have LS Jaesa she talks about meeting light Sith and how fearful they were about being found out. Latula is a light Sith and is so paranoid about being caught that she hired an agent to look out for her. It's very, very annoying and stupid to see some Sith walk up in a cantina and announce their light-sided philosophy to everyone. That being said, we do see plenty of examples of different types of Sith. Thanaton is the staunch traditionalist, Baras is the sneaky spymaster, Zash is a bookish liberal. There's many, many ways to be a Sith and they don't all involve rampantly Force-choking and murdering people. But they all do involve some degree of posturing because that's what being a Sith is all about.

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Letallis
09.27.2012 , 10:28 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by elliotcat View Post
So I do play a Sith, and I have to agree that there are a lot of people who make things difficult. However, there are a couple of issues with the OP that I noticed.

Regarding the non-FS thing - that's Imperial culture. Do you have to bow to Sith and call them "my lord"? Yes, you do. That's protocol in the Empire. Hell, I play a Sith who's fairly light-side and a Revanite, and she still expects that level of respect. It's not about dominating others, it's about people seeing you as a leader and an important part of the Empire.

I've had bounty hunters come up to me and have a conversation, and when Latula (my Sith) gently reminds them that they should follow proper Imperial protocol when addressing Sith, have refused to do so. A different sort of Sith might have Force-choked him for that. It's considered having proper manners.

The Darth title - well, if a character is wearing it, you probably ought to respect his or her rank. Again, it's part of having manners in the Empire. If you don't like calling people "my lord" or having to RP yourself as ranking lower than a Sith, play Republic. It's part of Imperial culture.

I half-agree on the "Sith rules" stuff. If you have LS Jaesa she talks about meeting light Sith and how fearful they were about being found out. Latula is a light Sith and is so paranoid about being caught that she hired an agent to look out for her. It's very, very annoying and stupid to see some Sith walk up in a cantina and announce their light-sided philosophy to everyone. That being said, we do see plenty of examples of different types of Sith. Thanaton is the staunch traditionalist, Baras is the sneaky spymaster, Zash is a bookish liberal. There's many, many ways to be a Sith and they don't all involve rampantly Force-choking and murdering people. But they all do involve some degree of posturing because that's what being a Sith is all about.

Well said. I'd be more than happy to show proper respect to Sith as long as they didn't try the all powerful crap or enslavement. Those type of people give rp a bad name.
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CosmicKat
09.27.2012 , 03:12 PM | #33
People need to realize that this isn't a Star Wars movie or book. It's an MMO and must be played accordingly.

It's like playing City of Heroes and expecting everyone to treat you like you are Superman. Superman is only Super because he's the only one in the world. In an MMO based on superheroes, he's just one of thousands and any defference to him would need to be adjusted accordingly.

The same applies to Sith (and Jedi). The only way they can be played "by the book" is to ignore the fact that there are a dozen other Darths or Masters in the same cantina. The only logical alternatives are to either ignore 99% of the playerbase and play as the uber-Darth with your circle of friends, or to assume that since you are just one of many, that you are no longer uber.

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TriggerBlade
10.01.2012 , 12:50 PM | #34
Holy crap I thought this thread died.

Though there are some things I would like to address.

Some people ignored the TITLE and assumed I hate all Sith players. Such as "soulhunterby"

Some people have seemed to ignore parts of the post and assume I mean that Sith don't have the rite to be bossy. Such as "elliotcat" I actually agree with her post, but to clarify. The reason I have a issue with this is that people have demanded I show them respect as a human being in real life. OOCly they think they are a better player and RPer because of the title Darth. If I don't resppect them ICly they whisper me and tell me to respect them and get angry when I don't. I understand ICly, I fully understand, but since these people are all full of themselves OOCly I don't enjoy RPing with them so I don't. I understand you shouldn't get pissed off because of RP. I mean it's not worth it and it doesn't really affect their worth as a human being. Though when people are ******es OOCly I think I have the rite to not be happy about it.

Cosmickat is someone I like though but have to comment. The Empire can work perfectly fine. The Empire does it's stuff and the Dark council interferes only when the Sith need to. Yes there is corruption, but they are dealt with easily. People don't realize that Sith actually don't mess with the Empire often. We all gotta remember that the warriors and inquisitors are two single people in the story. Sith only interfere in Sith business. Like the dig on Tattooine. The inquisitor only interferes so he/she can get the relics at the beginning and the warrior acts like a Agent for Baras and not a big deal at the start. The Empire is a cold harsh and ruthless dictatorship. They get things done.

Though I do agree 100% with his/her last post about how since everyone is level 50 and has a Darth title, there is no uberness.

Finally to "AdoB" I did and edited everything I needed to edit in the OP, and I didn't reply because most of the things he questioned were answered even in the unedited angry OP or he took things out of his ***. He claimed I was blending IC and OOC. Of course I was and still do. I quote myself "70% of Sith >PLAYERS<" Though the IC reactions I got mad at were due to the ******eness and stupidity of the player. I can deal with difficult and dangerous IC situations, I know not to mix IC and OOC but to this level I get tired of it and just don't want to deal with them. When it gets sooooo bad that you have to throw and entire human being out of your life you know there's a problem.

Like a few times, I met a Mirialan Sith inquisitor. His RP was that he was 16 and the galaxy's most powerful Sith telepath, he was also a slave. He godmods, screams OOCly and stalks people in whispers saying he's using telepathy. The guy would spam non stop, no matter how many times you asked him OOCly not to. Another person is a player and half of this was told to me by like 20+ players that I respect, and to get people to know, most of them ARE sith. This player supposedly used a Sith ritual to make himself Immortal like the Emperor and godmods saying he's immortal, this I've heard of and seen this godmodding personally. He forces himself on women ICly and if they don't fully type it out with him he sets them on ignore and says that they are dead ICly. He also has hissy fits OOCly. He was grouping up with people for some RP. He was half way across the galaxy and was demanding one of his guild's officers meet up with him even though the officer came on time to the place and the player was late. He questioned him and the player removed him from the guild. Some members got sick of his OOC behavior so they left the guild. Because he is prone to hissy fits he has put a IC bounty on them because he was angered OOC. This guy obviously has a superiority complex. I'm trying to leave the guild, but he would just send people after me, even if I retconned all our RP to get rid of it.

I will not name names out of respect and not wanting everyone to hound them.

I hope this answers questions and clarifies some things.
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elliotcat
10.08.2012 , 09:49 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by TriggerBlade View Post
Like a few times, I met a Mirialan Sith inquisitor. His RP was that he was 16 and the galaxy's most powerful Sith telepath, he was also a slave. He godmods, screams OOCly and stalks people in whispers saying he's using telepathy. The guy would spam non stop, no matter how many times you asked him OOCly not to. Another person is a player and half of this was told to me by like 20+ players that I respect, and to get people to know, most of them ARE sith. This player supposedly used a Sith ritual to make himself Immortal like the Emperor and godmods saying he's immortal, this I've heard of and seen this godmodding personally. He forces himself on women ICly and if they don't fully type it out with him he sets them on ignore and says that they are dead ICly. He also has hissy fits OOCly. He was grouping up with people for some RP. He was half way across the galaxy and was demanding one of his guild's officers meet up with him even though the officer came on time to the place and the player was late. He questioned him and the player removed him from the guild. Some members got sick of his OOC behavior so they left the guild. Because he is prone to hissy fits he has put a IC bounty on them because he was angered OOC. This guy obviously has a superiority complex. I'm trying to leave the guild, but he would just send people after me, even if I retconned all our RP to get rid of it.

I will not name names out of respect and not wanting everyone to hound them.
Because of the bolded part, I think he needs to be severely shamed publicly.

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"We will snatch purpose from the jaws of futility...are you ready to wreak some havoc?"

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lxShepardxl
10.08.2012 , 10:00 AM | #36
I was thinking of starting a Sith character actually, and RPing with him.

Have him be a kind, yet sarcastic guy who pursued the path of Sith in order to express himself freely without the rules and structure of the Jedi Order. Such as witty comments, romance, and the freedom of power.

Good idea? Bad idea? Would this sort of character be welcomed in the Sith RP environment?

EDIT: Basically, he wouldn't be a dick. Just witty and sarcastic, yet kind-natured when things get serious
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elliotcat
10.08.2012 , 12:42 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by lxShepardxl View Post
I was thinking of starting a Sith character actually, and RPing with him.

Have him be a kind, yet sarcastic guy who pursued the path of Sith in order to express himself freely without the rules and structure of the Jedi Order. Such as witty comments, romance, and the freedom of power.

Good idea? Bad idea? Would this sort of character be welcomed in the Sith RP environment?

EDIT: Basically, he wouldn't be a dick. Just witty and sarcastic, yet kind-natured when things get serious
You would have to be a little careful with the sarcasm/wittiness, I think, because Sith are still expected to act a certain way in public and around other Sith. If you're able to blend that with the proper composure that Sith Lords are expected to have then I'd say go for it.

Also, I wouldn't play him as having chosen to be a Sith, because that's not something that happens. All Force-sensitive people in the Empire are forced to become Sith, no matter their origins. Nobody ever really gets a choice between being a Sith or a Jedi, it's whoever gets to you first.

Ebon Hawk: Latula // Elaeys // Raima // Jaea // Macara // Meulin // Damarra // Kanaaya

"We will snatch purpose from the jaws of futility...are you ready to wreak some havoc?"

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CosmicKat
10.09.2012 , 12:29 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by elliotcat View Post

Also, I wouldn't play him as having chosen to be a Sith, because that's not something that happens. All Force-sensitive people in the Empire are forced to become Sith, no matter their origins. Nobody ever really gets a choice between being a Sith or a Jedi, it's whoever gets to you first.
The Star Wars universe is a cartoony black hat/white hat universe that is best taken as a starting point for improvisation. When one takes it too seriously, its many and blatant lapses of logic become glaring.

There is no logical reason why a force user trained as Jedi couldn't quit the Jedi and become a Sith, a space pirate, or open a hotdog stand in the fleet. There is no Zeus to smite you for not using his gift of magic appropriately. When people can travel anywhere near instantly, there is limitless potential for storytelling and limitless potential for variety of characters. The George can place whatever restrictions he wants on his characters in his movies, but these are our characters in a universe we create.

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Claymorsch
10.13.2012 , 10:21 PM | #39
i stopped reading at that "players dont respect the darth title" part
you guys really do that on rp servers?

OH COME ON HUMANITY! gosh darn!!

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Listerman
10.24.2012 , 06:41 PM | #40
I like to think of my Sith Warrior as an "Alright sort". He delights in carnage of the battlefield like the best of them sure, but he's also a scholar and academic, and a lover of baked confections. In fact, our Guild Leader has learned the best way to receive his obedience is to bribe him in cookies and cake.

As for [censored]hole Sith...I had one who outright jumped in IC, declaring that character level insinuated that he was more powerful than me, and not adhereing to him kicking my butt would be Bad RP...

I actually came onto the Fleet once, and he was surrounded by people giving him a firm talking to about his behavior. I laughed.
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