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So, no more queuing for PvP along with PvE...

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Alkazarr
09.30.2012 , 06:03 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by ElvisLegShaker View Post
I really don't see a problem with this change. In fact, I welcome it. Yes, there are "rage quitters" but what this does is cut down on the over all amount of folks who quit a WZ regardless of the reason (and may cut down on those who leave a pug FP .. 'specially when it's going badly .. to catch their WZ pop??).

As for the real reasons for the change?

I have no idea but from what folks have talked about, in regards to those who quit a WZ is that there is no way to penalize them (in a fair manner) since it could be an emergency, a connection issue, an honest to goodness rage quitter, a person who just got a pop for a FP, a person who decides not to play with the retarded one armed monkey people that have formed the remainder of his or her WZ group, etc..

However, I imagine one thing Bioware has in their possession is a metric or three that shows some of those leaving a WZ do so because a FP popped (and judging by a few of the folks in this thread, apparently it happened more than any of us thinks). That --- they can fix fairly easy since they are sure it's not because the player caught fire or it's dinner time, or what ever.

I do not see how folks who are against this change seem to think their time is any more special than someone else's time. I also do not see how any one can sit for 2 or 3 hours, doing nothing and then complain about how valuable their time is. That boggles my mind. I mean honestly, how can you sit there for two hours or so (heck, even 30 minutes) and wait for something to happen?

If you are waiting for a FP pop .. go farm some credits, go farm some mats, go farm some items, etc and so on... However, "you" sitting there doing nothing and complaining that "you" are sitting there doing nothing seems a bit childish and immature.

I mean honestly. Make a choice. Make a decision.

Do one or do the other.

But, regardless of which one "you" decide to do ... there are others things "you" can be doing while "you" wait for a pop.

And yes, one of those things is to come to the forums to complain about how valuable your time is while telling us you just sat for 2-3 hours doing absolutely nothing.
Let me get this right, your argument is that Bioware was right to implement the change, because my time isn't valuable ? Really ?... Time investment isn't valuable in a MMO ? I don't know whether to lol or to rofl on this one.

Stop being a troll and justifying poor decisions on the basis that our time isn't worth anything. That is a pathetic excuse, and quite frankly doesn't answer nor explains anything. Actually the only thing it shows it that you don't seem to understand that the only two things a consumer has to work with are his time, and his money.
Also if you have problems with waiting over 30minutes for anything, you must find getting through life pretty difficult. If that last statement escapes you, then you probably are a kid who has yet to experience the grind of life.

See, everyone can make uninformed guesses and call each other immature one way or another.

So back on subject, what do you honesly expect lvl50s to do when they log in ? The end-game content is repetitive enough that having to wait even longer for any of it is becoming somewhat frustrating.

And by the way, sitting for 2 hours doing nothing is what I have to do now yes. That is precisely my point. Before the patch, I was doing things. Now I can't. Do-you-understand-now?
I can only play for a few hours a day, and before that I could do wzs in the meantime working on my WH set. Now I just have to sit there, waiting for hopefully a group which might not come so yes, eventually I do have to log off. But that isnt a very fun thing to play now is it ?

And please enlighten me on all these wondrous things that I can do while waiting for FP to pop up.

-Crafting ? Check.
-Farming mats or credits ? That's what crew skills and dailies are there for, so check.
-Farming items/gear ? Are you serious ? You need to be be doing ops to get anything worthwhile at lvl50, if you dont even know this then pretty much anything you've said here has instantly become invalid.
-Solo questing ? I'm lvl50 so unless you somehow got the new expansion pack I don't really see myself having fun redoing boring H2's on Ilum. Also this applies to lowbies, they cant do heroics while waiting for the FP, being in a group of any kind cancels the queue. So this one is a check as well.
-Running mindlessly around the fleet and loling at general chat ? Check.

I'd also like to point out that all most of the things I "can do" while waiting involve single-player gameplay... when I'm playing an MMO. Interesting.

But none of this has anything to do with why this "fix" was put in place, it's got to do with people dropping out of FP queues because PVE is any MMO's top priority, and therefore has to be fixed. It's got nothing to do with people dropping out of wzs.
To be quite frank, they don't give a monkey's about pvpers. Anything goes as long as it doesn't affect the pve'ers since it represents the majority of players.
I actually wouldn't mind FPs queues if they actually were functional lol. At this moment in time, I got to wait for hours for a FP. If it was 15 or 30 minutes, then yes I'd have no problem with that. It's the two hours of doing nothing that is wrong about this system. If you are going the route of mutually exclusive queues, then make both of them effective. It really isn't that hard to understand.
So while that might upset some people, if they did allow cross servers instances, then we wouldn't have to wait so long for the content becoming available to play. But Bioware seems intent on keeping servers to themselves as a mean to build a stronger community.

And right now it's a community of bored players.

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drfirewater
10.01.2012 , 06:44 AM | #92
[QUOTE=Siscoe;5212388]I hate this change myself. On The Shadowhand I could get in 6 to 8 wz's before my HM queue popped. (1.5 to 2 hours) If it is a close match I won't leave, but if there is no chance of coming back, I am the only one who loses out by leaving.
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I agree completely .... I have pvp personally ... its not my cup of tea. I am a raider at heart but week long waits on raids force me to do something with my 5 50's and its generally GF HMFPs. My tank queues instantly after 4pm same with my healer with very little wait generally. But my 3 dps seem to take hours . I used to be able to pound out a pvp daily in the time i was waiting for queue to pop.

THAT BEING SAID. I know i was a bad pvper because if PVE queue popped i didnt care if i had 10 seconds left for a win i hit accept and took off. i can see how it would be worse if i was in a team who was barely winning with 1 min left when i took off and then they lost because they where all of a sudden one or two men down.

BUT this should be the difference between ranked and unranked..... right now because there is no solo queue for ranked warzones, unranked warzones are flooded with WH gear ubers who make unranked not fun, then you couple that with the fact that we get taken out of the queue list and have to start all over again looking for a party for HM FPs. So now instead of PVPing we are sitting around fleet waiting or farming crafting mats on illum or belsavis with the 400 other people waiting for HM FPs.

This last merger IMHO was a big mistake ..... queue times are not faster .... for pvp or pve from what i have noticed. General chat can no longer be effectively used for LFG (looking for group rather then LFM looking for more) because it gets flooded with the 100 people who are in queue waiting around who are also LFG.

I dont know the solution to this issue... and maybe free to play will bring it. Influx of players some of which will decide they want to sub increaseing sub numbers and all. but since 4 dps cant do GF together successfully with no dedicated healer or tank, its always going to be the 700 dps trying to catch the 20 healers and 5 tanks who care enough about BH coms to do HMFPs. Which isnt many cause healers and tanks generally are the important ones in OPS so they usually already have there gear and have no reason to do HMs anymore.

But long live PVP i guess its bad enough PVE'ers have to do PVP for best in slot relics ... now you force us to do NOTHING while waiting to PVE.... hours of waiting makes me want to play another game , not another character.
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xstortion
10.01.2012 , 07:25 AM | #93
Again this really sucks. I consider myself a 50/50 PVE/PVP person. This change has knocked me down to like 20% pvp since as many others have mentioned my time is very important to me.

When I am in a WZ I could care less if someone rage quits or GF pops or whatever. As the patch stated back filled slots will be filled more frequently so not really a huge issue to me.

Congrats if you wanted me to PVP a lot less than I did b4. One less person even bothering with his pvp dailies.

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Wraiven
10.04.2012 , 03:06 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by xstortion View Post
Again this really sucks. I consider myself a 50/50 PVE/PVP person. This change has knocked me down to like 20% pvp since as many others have mentioned my time is very important to me.

When I am in a WZ I could care less if someone rage quits or GF pops or whatever. As the patch stated back filled slots will be filled more frequently so not really a huge issue to me.

Congrats if you wanted me to PVP a lot less than I did b4. One less person even bothering with his pvp dailies.
There is another topic on this very thing that has a few good ideas as well. Would be nice if the two threads could converge in to one thread. Keeping the ideas and conversation consolidated.

Here is the other thread.

Check it out and maybe we can put the two thread's heads together and come up with something that we could get implemented.
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Zhallika
10.05.2012 , 02:18 PM | #95
Know i'm late to this thread and also knowing it's a complaint about not being able to Queue for both PVP and PVE continuously at the same time..

However, from the first few pages i read and the last... and also seeing how the people complained a lot about Waiting times for PVE queue's.

My questions - Does no one in MMO's try to form a group outside of the Group Finder?
Stop waiting and make some PVP/PVE friends

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anakedcowboy
10.05.2012 , 03:47 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhallika View Post
Know i'm late to this thread and also knowing it's a complaint about not being able to Queue for both PVP and PVE continuously at the same time..

However, from the first few pages i read and the last... and also seeing how the people complained a lot about Waiting times for PVE queue's.

My questions - Does no one in MMO's try to form a group outside of the Group Finder?
Stop waiting and make some PVP/PVE friends
With the sharp decline in population and consolidation of servers, a lot of people are forced to make new friends.

The best way to meet those people is to be paired up with them. The alternative is general being a scrolling wall of LFG spam.

With the group finder, I can be on any planet, doing anything (that i'm not already grouped for) and get a group.

It also rewards players for using it to find a group by offering very lucrative rewards of daily and blackhole comms.

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Wraiven
10.05.2012 , 05:11 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhallika View Post
Know i'm late to this thread and also knowing it's a complaint about not being able to Queue for both PVP and PVE continuously at the same time..

However, from the first few pages i read and the last... and also seeing how the people complained a lot about Waiting times for PVE queue's.

My questions - Does no one in MMO's try to form a group outside of the Group Finder?
Stop waiting and make some PVP/PVE friends
The group finder was created to make it easier to form groups, not make it harder. It was also created to cut the LFM chat down from General Chat.
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Petnil
10.06.2012 , 05:01 AM | #98
yes, forming your own group wont give you the daiyl reward. But nothing prohibits the group you formed from joining groupfinder and getting the reward.