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Kun vs Vader vs Bane vs Revan.

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Kun vs Vader vs Bane vs Revan.

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Aurbere
09.27.2012 , 04:36 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
^ Lol. Besides also, didn't some jedi master try to do the whole balance thing but in the end literally destroyed himself?
I do believe so. I would have to do some digging.
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Swarlesx
09.27.2012 , 06:22 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Claiming that someone can use both sides of the Force is obviously a lie. G-Canon fact right there.

The reason it is impossible is because in order to use one side of the Force you must be within a certain state of mind. The Light Side draws upon peace and tranquility while the Dark Side requires pure emotion and aggression. So why don't you tell me how it is possible for one to be calm of mind while lashing out with emotion. And don't say "well Revan did it.".

And the mystics only used the Force for visions. They didn't use their power for Light or Dark purposes. I should know, I just finished Voss a few days ago.

EDIT: And don't use SWTOR and KOTOR's alignment system. It's a game mechanic. A Jedi or Sith can't be neutral. And here's why:

Jedi Master: How did your meeting with our contact go padawan?
Padawan: Fine. He didn't give me what I wanted so I killed him. But it's all good! I gave his stuff to some poor people. That balances it out. Keep that alignment meter in the grey area!
But the point is that Revan DID do it. You can't tell us not to say that when it is in direct relation to what you are talking about. The alignment system is a game mechanic and isn't the best example but on Dromund Kaas Revan was able to draw on both light and dark. Just because they draw on different emotions does not mean that a person cannot experience these different emotions. Remember that Revan is a very special case. He lived two completely different lives.

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Aurbere
09.27.2012 , 07:12 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Swarlesx View Post
But the point is that Revan DID do it. You can't tell us not to say that when it is in direct relation to what you are talking about. The alignment system is a game mechanic and isn't the best example but on Dromund Kaas Revan was able to draw on both light and dark. Just because they draw on different emotions does not mean that a person cannot experience these different emotions. Remember that Revan is a very special case. He lived two completely different lives.
That specific case of his action during the Revan novel is actually not him using both sides of the Force. People misunderstand what actually happened. That event has distinct similarities to a brief moment of Oneness with the Force. A moment of clarity in the Force where you unleash immense power. Similar to Jacen Solo's moment. However, that moment seems to be a one time deal. As both Revan and Jacen have not, to my recollection, done so a second time.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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BrandonSM
09.27.2012 , 08:18 PM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Swarlesx View Post
But the point is that Revan DID do it. You can't tell us not to say that when it is in direct relation to what you are talking about. The alignment system is a game mechanic and isn't the best example but on Dromund Kaas Revan was able to draw on both light and dark. Just because they draw on different emotions does not mean that a person cannot experience these different emotions. Remember that Revan is a very special case. He lived two completely different lives.
Someone can experience these emotions, but not at the same time. To be at peace and full of rage would drive someone mad.

The Voss don't do this, they are naturally gifted with raw force Energies. Revan didnt have raw force, an example of raw force is Galen Marek or Kyp Durron who friggin exploded with energies without any control. There is a huge difference between those guys and Revan or Vader, and I sincerely hope you see that.
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DarthAeonis
09.27.2012 , 08:34 PM | #115
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I am so glad you made this post. I was about to tear his world down before you made those posts.
ive come to the conclusion that ur just a hater. i no longer even care what u have to say in regards to my words cuz u only see ur own point of view. ur like a force severed miraluka.... just completely blind.

revan utilized both sides of the force without bein particularly swayed by either side. yea he's a "jedi" again but irl u cant be any more neutral. and its not a requirements to dwell on multiple emotions to use a power. just easier. gray jedi existed and thats a fact (jolee bindo prime example).. whether or not they were trulty neutral is irrelevant, they believed so as well as others.
the point of this thread im sure what to explain why u think ur right not to say everyone else is wrong. OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS. if u want a fact on who's strongest ask george lucas.
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Aurbere
09.27.2012 , 08:38 PM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
Someone can experience these emotions, but not at the same time. To be at peace and full of rage would drive someone mad.

The Voss don't do this, they are naturally gifted with raw force Energies. Revan didnt have raw force, an example of raw force is Galen Marek or Kyp Durron who friggin exploded with energies without any control. There is a huge difference between those guys and Revan or Vader, and I sincerely hope you see that.
It's not possible. Even the most powerful Jedi can't draw upon both sides simultaneously. We have seen Luke say that there is no grey area, that you are Light or Dark. It is obvious that the most powerful being ever wouldn't try to be grey. To say that Revan can do what Luke cannot do is really... um... wrong.

As to the Voss. I just recently finished the Voss storyline and I have to agree with you. It is pretty obvious. The Voss don't have the same energy that Vader or Revan has.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
09.27.2012 , 08:49 PM | #117
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ive come to the conclusion that ur just a hater. i no longer even care what u have to say in regards to my words cuz u only see ur own point of view. ur like a force severed miraluka.... just completely blind.

revan utilized both sides of the force without bein particularly swayed by either side. yea he's a "jedi" again but irl u cant be any more neutral. and its not a requirements to dwell on multiple emotions to use a power. just easier. gray jedi existed and thats a fact (jolee bindo prime example).. whether or not they were trulty neutral is irrelevant, they believed so as well as others.
the point of this thread im sure what to explain why u think ur right not to say everyone else is wrong. OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS. if u want a fact on who's strongest ask george lucas.
I am not a hater. I'm not bias to anybody except Plo Koon. If following canon facts makes me a hater then fine. I'll be the first to admit it. And now you fall to insults as your Revan idol comes crashing down. Sad...

Anyway. Jedi and Sith cannot be neutral. The Force is not some moral guideline. The Light Side is peace and tranquility. The Dark Side corrupts. A Jedi who tries to do both will fall to the Dark Side. As we saw with Revan. After escaping the Emperor, the mighty infallible Revan fell to the Dark Side.

There are no grey Jedi. Jolee Bindo is not a grey Jedi. He was a Jedi that left the Order and lived as a hermit. He did not leave the Light Side.

I respect your opinion and I'm fine with you liking Revan. BUT! Do not come onto a debate, completely ignore established canon while using lies to support your own argument. It does a disservice to the character as well as your character.

And GL has already said who is the strongest. Sidious and Luke. G-Canon. Absolute Star Wars law.
Added Chapter 44 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Liquidacid
09.27.2012 , 09:04 PM | #118
the Je'daii, who were the forerunners of the Jedi, were grey... they used both sides (tho probably not simultaneously) and lived in peace like that for generations... they never all fell to the darkside and managed to do it for around 10,000 years... hell they exiled anyone who "fell" to far into either the lightside or darkside to one of their moons to meditate till they found "balance" again... now while it ultimately lead to war because some thought one side more powerful or better than the other so went extreme that was over differing philosophies and not any actual physical reason

now while Luke and other Jedi have said JEDI can't be neutral that doesn't mean it's impossible as proven by the others who have done it... it just means the Jedi, because of their specific philosophies, can't do it... and, imo, the fact that others could do it means that technically a Jedi could but I think they just said they couldn't for the same reasons they had the rules against marriage... because it COULD turn out bad so better to be safe and just axe it all together...

but ya by Lucas's words Sidious and Luke are the most powerful Jedi and Sith ever to exist so they win all "what if" fights... love it or hate it canon is canon
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Wolfninjajedi
09.27.2012 , 09:04 PM | #119
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I'm not bias to anybody except Plo Koon.
Lol, well at least you admit to being bias for him. XD
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DarthAeonis
09.27.2012 , 09:10 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I am not a hater. I'm not bias to anybody except Plo Koon. If following canon facts makes me a hater then fine. I'll be the first to admit it. And now you fall to insults as your Revan idol comes crashing down. Sad...

Anyway. Jedi and Sith cannot be neutral. The Force is not some moral guideline. The Light Side is peace and tranquility. The Dark Side corrupts. A Jedi who tries to do both will fall to the Dark Side. As we saw with Revan. After escaping the Emperor, the mighty infallible Revan fell to the Dark Side.

There are no grey Jedi. Jolee Bindo is not a grey Jedi. He was a Jedi that left the Order and lived as a hermit. He did not leave the Light Side.

I respect your opinion and I'm fine with you liking Revan. BUT! Do not come onto a debate, completely ignore established canon while using lies to support your own argument. It does a disservice to the character as well as your character.

And GL has already said who is the strongest. Sidious and Luke. G-Canon. Absolute Star Wars law.
O M G. first of all ur the one who started slinging insults. check ur post. 2nd look up grey jedi. starkiller (if we included him) would be grey as well. new form obviously not sith nor does he act it but does evrything a sith can do with no negative effects. and wat is and isnt canon is always gonna change ie. the clone wars will most doubtedly conflict with other previous works. luke's power was spend up exponentially not because he's a genius but because the movie is only two hours long. i cant take anything he's done in the movies seriously. btw i dont speak in lies, i may be sith aligned but have no reason to lie to ppl idk so u have no right to comment on MY character. and if u provide a concrete qoute that he said theyre the strongest in SW history then and that theres no way revan can beat either then i'll concede. and revan didnt fall after fleeing the emperor. idk why u think that. ur turn.
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