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350 BH Comms Implant

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recsa
09.27.2012 , 07:24 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by LordRahlik View Post
I cannot log in now, but I thought it was 350 **DAILY** commendations and not Black Hole commendations. And if it is daily then it's completely reasonable.
Nope, its BH
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Elear
09.27.2012 , 07:46 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Leovinus View Post
Love how they jacked up the cost, justified it by saying we'd be using TFB to get more, then neglect to actually give us any significant number of BH comms in said operation. Sorry, but 8 just won't make a dent.
Nope, actually, only thing BW said was that those imlants are not supposed to go live. What you got here is very common case of assuming player conclusions as BW words. Because without removal of comms that wans't in patch notes, there would be significant influx of those.

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Savro
09.27.2012 , 08:24 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
Nope, actually, only thing BW said was that those imlants are not supposed to go live. What you got here is very common case of assuming player conclusions as BW words. Because without removal of comms that wans't in patch notes, there would be significant influx of those.
Let's reduce the assumpions ratio to minimum ok? Doing that it is clear that they promised to change "something" before going live, one can have thought they were going to change the price others that they are going to change the implants stats other they were going to remove the implants from the vendor, choose which one do you prefer or add an other one, the problem is that implants are notmodified in any way (stats and price are not changed) and they are in the live game.
THey ahd the possibility to choose the questions from the forum, as they prefer, they have choosen to answer that one, and they promised "something" without delivering it and, above all, without letting us know why are they not doing as promised.
I'm ok with 350 BH comms price, also with 7000 BH comms, i can choose if they worth the effort or not. But I don't understand why they expose themselves and not keep their promises and don't communicate.
Ok, they are increasing communication, but if i can't trust that communication it is not useless, it becomes worst than no communication at all.

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Elear
09.27.2012 , 09:27 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Savro View Post
Let's reduce the assumpions ratio to minimum ok?
OK
Quote:
Q: With the coming new 1.4 Update, what is the reason behind relics that cost 400 Daily Commendations but only marginally better or new Black Hole gear that costs 350 Black Hole Commendations

The side effect of PTS is that occasionally items that are not intended for live made it up there and unfortunately that specific item was the case of that. So that item in particular is going to be removed, reviewed, and hopefully a better version will come out in a future update.
I wasn't one making assumptions, I just repeated exactly what they said.

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Quraswren
09.27.2012 , 09:32 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by miglor View Post
I thought these were a "bug" and was NOT meant to costs 350?? LOL
I wouldn't worry too mcuh about it.

For one, the next stuff is pretty bad if you had even decent gear to start with.

Second thing is there not worth it for the cost.

and the third things that really puts it in perspective, few things drop BH comms now, so actually getting 350 comms is going to take so long, you'll forget why you were doing it in the first place.

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Savro
09.27.2012 , 10:06 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
OK


I wasn't one making assumptions, I just repeated exactly what they said.
You focus on the second part i focus on the first part: "The side effect of PTS is that occasionally items that are not intended for live made it up there and unfortunately that specific item was the case of that".
If they are aware that one item has not to reach live it must not reach live.

Noone forced them to answer that question, they have choosen it, telling people "i know it has mistakes", and deliver it anyway is simply detrimental for them. They never changed an item statistics on live simply because it would case alot of complains, and it would be not fair, they lowered same prices on live, yes, but i really don't think that they need to be live to reduce a price, a number (or i have to think that the game mechanic engine.is really badly designed). They could also remove them from the vendor for 1-2 weeks until deciding how to preoceed but they didn't do that either.

To summarize: telling people that there is a bug in PTS and go live with the bug still there is simply self-damaging behavior. Do not talk about it or correct it in any way.

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Elear
09.27.2012 , 10:41 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Savro View Post
They never changed an item statistics on live simply because it would case alot of complains, and it would be not fair
Wrong, they did change pretty much whole BM gear. It did cause lot of complaining, but not from people that got their gear changed.
Quote: Originally Posted by Savro View Post
To summarize: telling people that there is a bug in PTS and go live with the bug still there is simply self-damaging behavior. Do not talk about it or correct it in any way.
Same as telling people that patch will be relesed in september, then delaying it. This week we got nothing about weekly maintenance until they decided to drop patch few hours later, because it was hard choice between delayed patch or bugged patch. Either way QQ incoming, but at least most bugs are not so bad.

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Savro
09.27.2012 , 10:58 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
Same as telling people that patch will be relesed in september, then delaying it. This week we got nothing about weekly maintenance until they decided to drop patch few hours later, because it was hard choice between delayed patch or bugged patch. Either way QQ incoming, but at least most bugs are not so bad.
ok, then fast solution: remove implant from vendor... do something, show community that you hear their feedback. On PTS forum there was a thread about shadows anbd fps dropping and after the patch they seems to discover that the patch caused an fps drop?!?
In the last 24 hours i submitted 8 tickets reguarding 8 different new bugs, just to discover that 4/8 were already posted in the PTS forum, and i haven't yet done an operation, neither a fp, neither a wz, i'm still crafting and using gtn on my ship. i try to search "advanced reflex augment 22" on GTN and it gives me 240 pages of results with all sort of items in there. I am very aware that any patch causes bugs, i'm ok with that, but you have already a problematic feedback from PTS, ok choose to implement what is ok or suffering only minor issues, delay the other things one or 2 week. I don't force EA/BW to deploy the next patch in 6 months, they promised it (and it became their problem). I didn't asked for a new stat search field on gtn, they offered it, perfect, or at least it is perfect as long this modification doesn't mess the most used search parameter: the name field. It is impossible for me to think that noone at BW noticed , before deployment, that searching anything by name on the GTN was (and still is) impossible, they were working on GTN issue today, have they tried to search anything? have they tested it?
I like this game, but BW has to listen community far better than this.

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recsa
09.27.2012 , 12:06 PM | #29
so .... now that CRs are awaken, could we have an update on this? is the cost definitive or as you said it wasnt meant to hit live?
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KarethRiker
09.27.2012 , 12:11 PM | #30
Money post and spot on. Bugs and errors happen, but they should own up to them. If these were purposeful changes then they should also admit that. Like "yes we think end game crafted gear is too cheap relative to the time taken to farm BH comms so we are decreasing the yield on rich missions to help elevate the price."

transparency goes a long long way

Quote: Originally Posted by recsa View Post
I really think they have some kind of problem with versions management, the customer view is they have some chaos, after every patch we see things that as for patch notes were not touched in any way but they are totally screwed (check this post).

Maybe the coms cost and stats on implants, got the same issue, some one "fixed" them but for any reason the fix didnt hit live servers.

Any way, errors, bugs, mistakes, .... those happen, no prob with that, but the lack of fast communication and explanations is what gives us the image of chaos

Dear Joveth, Allison, ... here is where all those promises of improved communication we had some weeks ago should start to shine, there are lots of threads with bugs/errors/issues that 1.4 has brought us, please "get that bull by its horns", compile those "problems" and start explaining whats going on.
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