They are already discussing milking the subscribers

Ok let me see and refresh your TOR naysayers memory, wich obviously i know youre just here to flame forums (why is really beyond me) but nevertheless here it goes.

EQ2:

Vanilla release - 8th November 2004
The Bloodline Chronicles - Adventure Pack - 21 March 2005
The Splitpaw Saga - Adventure Pack - 28 June 2005
Desert of Flames - Expansion - 13 September 2005
Kingdom of Sky - Expansion - 21 February 2006
The Fallen Dynasty - Adventure Pack - 14 June 2006
Echoes of Faydwer - Expansion - 14 November 2006
Rise of Kunark - Expansion - 13 November 2007
The Shadow Odyssey - Expansion - 18 November 2008
Sentinel's Fate - Expansion - 16 February 2010
Destiny of Velious - Expansion - 22 February 2011
Age of Discovery - Expansion - 6 December 2011

Rift:

Vanilla Release - 4 March 2011
Patch 1.1- River of Souls - Release Date: March 30, 2011
Patch 1.2- Spoils of War - Release Date: May 10, 2011
Patch 1.3 - Waves of Madness - Release Date: June 22, 2011
Patch 1.4- Legacy of the Fallen - Release Date: August 3, 2011
Patch 1.5- Ashes of History - Release Date: September 28, 2011
Patch 1.6- From the Embers - Release Date: November 16
Patch 1.7- Carnival of the Ascended - Release Date: February 2, 2012
Patch 1.8 - Infernal Dawn - Release Date: April 18, 2012
Patch 1.9 - Conquest - Release Date: June 27, 2012
Patch 1.10 - Calm Before the Storm - Release Date: September 12, 2012
All of these are mini-patches not expansions, the same for SWTOR patch 1.X.
On May 31, 2012, Trion Worlds announced Storm Legion, the first expansion pack for Rift. The expansion will increase the level cap from 50 to 60, add in "dimensions" where players can customize private corners of the game world, add 4 new souls (one for each calling), two new continents that will approximately triple the size of the game world, new Instant Adventures, and many other features. The expansion is slated to release in the Fall of 2012.

LOTRO:

Vanilla Release - 24th April 2007
Mines of Moria - On March 14, 2008 (Expansion)
Siege of Mirkwood - September 4, 2009 (Expansion)
Rise of Isengard - November 19, 2010 (Expansion)
Riders of Rohan - January 25, 2012 (Expansion)
Lotro have released between content patches and expansions 17 content releases. Didnt added them here cause they are a bit poorly constructed on LOTRO wiki.

WoW

Vanilla Release - November 2004
1.2 - Mysteries of Maraudon - 18 December 2004
1.3 - Ruins of Diremaul - 7th March 2005
1.4 - The call of war - 8th April 2005
1.5 - Battlegrounds - 7th June 2005
1.6 - Assault on Blackwing Lair - 12th July 2005
1.7 - Rise of the blood god - 13 September 2005
1.8 - Dragons of Nightmare - 10 October 2005
1.9 - The Gates of An'quiraj - 03 January 2006
1.10 - Storms of Azeroth - 28 March 2006
1.11 - Shadow of Necropolis - 20 June 2006
1.12 - Drums of War - 22 August 2006
The Burning Crusade - 05 December 2006 (Expansion)
2.1 - The Black Temple - 22 May 2007
2.3 - The Gods of Zul'aman - 13 Novemeber 2007
2.4 - Fury of Sunwell - 25 March 2008
The Wrath of the Lich King - November 2008 (Expansion)
3.1 - Secrets of Ulduar - 14 April 2009
3.2 - Call of Crusade - 04 August 2009
3.3 - Fall of Lich King - 08 December 2009
Cataclysm - December 2010 (Expansion)
4.1 - Rise of the Zandalari - 26 April 2011
4.2 - Rage of Firelands - 28 June 2011
4.3 - Hour of Twilight - 29 November 2011
Mists of Pandaria - September 2012 (Expansion)


SWTOR

Vanilla release - 20th December 2011
Patch 1.1 - 18th January 2012 (Content patch)
Patch 1.2 - 12th April 2012 (Content patch)
Patch 1.3 - 22nd May 2012 (Content patch)
Patch 1.4 - October 2012 (Content patch)


Now if you make the math by an average release timer of content updates (patches/expansions) it will give you the following list:

EQ 2 - Each 8 months new content released
Rift - Each 2 months new content released
WoW - Each 4 months new content released
Lotro - Each 4 months new content released
SWTOR - Each 2 months and half new content released

As you see the only game beating SWTOR in content releases either in content patches or expansions will be Rift as i allready stated that over and over again in other posts. The facts are undeniable and unquestionable. SWTOR is alongside with Rift the only 2 games that provide you all, the most content release so far.
I do understand that peeps do tend to forget the past very fast, i hope this analisys just makes you remember that all these naysayers, flamers and whatnots are just here to flame this forums without even having a clue on what theyre talking about. Dnt fall for it.
SWTOR is SWTOR, the other games are the other games. If you are enjoying yourself with it stick with it, if ure not having fun with it than leave us alone and go flaming other MMO gaming forums, since its the only thing you know how to do, badly i might add.
No one can argument against facts..
Enjoy it and shut up about SWTOR lack of content.

F2P isn't standard practice in SWTOR or any other subscription MMORPG.

They said or at the very least implied extremely strongly it would be free......... now they have changed their minds and want to sell it for cash, which they can do.......... but that doesn't mean all their customers should therefore be happy about it.

At the moment, the only things we know about this new expansion is that we are getting a new planet and at-least a 5 level increase (and POSSIBLY an expansion to the class story as well). Apart from that we know nothing else about it.

People are forgetting that we may also get

-New Operations
-New Flashpoints
-New Warzones
-New Races
-World PvP area

Also, considering the size of the high level planets like Voss, Belsavis, and Coruscant, each of those planets covers 3 - 4 levels worth of content, and are pretty big, so imagine the size of Makeb with 5 levels of content.

I could be wrong though, but i would say wait until we get more information about the expansion before we can justify whether we should pay for it or not.

You are right, they WILL milk us for all they can. And then some. Untill we leave in disgust.

That being said, I find it normal to pay for an expansion that raises the level cap. All MMOs do it that way.

Put city of heroes up here for me. Hell I might just do it.

Subscribers should never have to pay for any expansion, period. I never understood how WoW players were so willing to roll over and give Blizzard 60 bucks an expansion when they were already giving them 15 a month. That is what the subscription in an MMO was meant for. You pay them every month and you never run out of content. MMO makers have abused that for years and it's BS.

Let's not make this game any more like WoW than it already is.

Dungeons & Dragons Online has F2P and subscription payment models. F2P players must buy "Turbine Points" to pay for expansions that subscription players get automatically.

Subscription players also get "Turbine Points" and these can be used to buy extras, such as equipment, character customization etc.

I for one will not be happy if I have to pay for an expansion or content update with Cartel Coins (or whatever) on top of paying a subscription, after all that subscription payment has already gone towards paying the staffing costs to produce the expansion.

I am, however, more than willing to use Cartel coins for things like character customization, items, name changes, server transfers etc.

COH

1. "Through the Looking Glass" June 9, 2004
2. "Shadows of the Paast" Sept 16, 2004
3. "A Council of War" Jan 4, 2005
4. "Coliseum" May 4, 2005
5. "A Forest of Dread" Aug 31, 2005
6. " Along Came a Spider" Oct 27, 2005
7. "Destiny Manifest" June 6, 2006
8. "To Protect and Serve" Nov 28, 2006
9. "Breakthrough" May 1, 2007
10. "Invvasion" July, 24, 2007
11. "A Snitch inTime" Nov 28, 2007
12. "Midnight Hour" May 20, 2008
13. "Power and Resonsibility" Dec 2, 2008
14. "Architect" April 8, 2009
15. "Anniversary" June 29, 2009
16. "Power Spectrum" Sept 15, 2009
17. "Dark Mirror" April 28, 2010
18. "Shades of Gray" Aug 16, 2010
19. "Alpha Strike" Nov 30, 2010
20. "Incarnates" April 5, 2011
21. "Convergence" Sept 13, 2011
22. eath Incarnate" March 6, 2012
23. "Where Shadows Lie" May 31, 2012

City Of Villians expansion in 2005, and Going Rogue expansion in 2010.
Also had booster packs which added powers and costumes(I loved these and were worth the extra money.)

Now that I think about it Bioware is doing a decent job compared to other MMO's I have played. Paying for extra costumes and at their update rate, this is not going bad at all. They are not milking anybody with xp boosts and a few extras but the future F2P players.

Look I'm not here to spit on SWTOR, I still like it a lot and still play it and still plan to play it, but this kind of post irks me a lot, so here I just fixed a "little" part for you just to show how blatantly "misinformed" you are, with bold being major content patches :

And that was just for the Vanilla period...
And it's the same thing for LOTRO that I've played a bit too, but I don't need to make a list as well...

For someone who claims such things as " facts are undeniable and unquestionable" or "No one can argument against facts" you sure have lost a lot of your spare time formatting a post that is a *BLATANT* misinfo.

If you are to compare patch vs patch and expansion vs expansion then YOU HAVE to take into account some of those above games content patch as well.

Facts huh ?

I've stopped playing WoW a couple years ago, am now playing SWTOR and enjoying it, but still : trying to hide the shallow side of some of SWTOR content patches, and the lack of content during some periods with this kind of disinfo above is only fueling the war between fanboys and haters.

Unless sub players "stipend" of cartel coins is enough to buy a healthy amount of every. single. item. they want to sell to us I'm probably going to leave.

Look at the "new tier" of armor. It is literally a recolor. It is the exact same armor except that it is a slightly different color, not even a completely different color, the secondary color on it has changed, that's it. My armor is now black and red instead of black and purple. Whoopty freakin do.

But the don't worry, because they have packs that you can buy for real money coming soon that have custom armor that is "the coolest most unique look you'll ever see."

So instead of putting what they consider the coolest most unique armor as the new set that you spend weeks or even months earning in game, instead of it being something sub's get included in the $15/mo we pay them, we have to buy it with real money.

That's the direction this game is going and it pisses me off big time.