This is not Star Wars

[QUOTE=FunkyOne;5154041]For as many people who will want to play Jedi, this is the era to play in. You're far enough back Jedi are "common" and not so close to the Rise Of The Sith that- A) You have the rule of two, and B) You know your Jedi isn't going to get a blaster bolt to the head when the Emperor unleashes his secret order.

Who on earth would want to play a Jedi he knew was going to get shot in the back by his trooper in 6 months?

And for the poster above me, I think your signature is exaggerating a bit. WAR was a black hole of Fail. It sucked the fail right out of other nearby lameness just to bolster its own fail. It was little more than a first person shooter with a barely functional paperdoll.

To the folks talking about SWG. Am I the only one who wants to take half of SWG and just port it over into SWTOR? The housing, space, and tradeskills?[/QUOTE]

No, you most cerainly are not the only one

Driz

Mandalorians, Jedi and Sith are a rare sight during Luke Skywalker's era. You have many options and roles to choose from and fill in this timeline.

I definitely agree with the OPs friends: this is not Star Wars as the general public knows it.

Is it Star Wars? Of course it is. It fits with the extended universe, has most of the hallmarks of the star wars universe (sabers, blasters, space, aliens etc) and kind of looks the part too.

However, if you are a Star Wars fan who has only really seen the movies and played some computer games, then this game simply does not fit with your expectations of the Star Wars universe. In fact, its downright rubbish, for the following reasons:

1) Art style. The original movies (4-6) were gritty and felt more realistic. It wasn't a future full of squeeky clean corridors and smart uniforms (star trek....). There was a real sense of being on the frontier, so whilst there was some awesome tech, there was also a basic lifestyle. The art style of TOR completely distances itself from that original feeling to the universe.

2) Locations. Again, much of the original movies, and even the newer movies, were set on massive planets and you got a real feeling for the sheer scale of where you were and a good feel for the wilderness. Again, that is almost completely lacking in TOR. Most planets feel linear and too many of them are set on cities. It does not feel like I'm in the same universe.

3) Epic Battles. The original films were full of epic battles on an epic scale. Even within those battles, the outcome wasn't often decided by one singular person, but more often there was a feeling of a community coming together to overcome an obstacle, fighting for the common cause. There is none of that in TOR. In TOR, we are our own miniature army. There are no fights with epic scales, only epic creatures.

4) Player journeys. Every single star wars movie is ultimately about character growth. Granted, Lucas was rubbish with dialogue but never the less he portrayed the growth of most of his characters. Most people were and remained ordinary people, but were part of something larger. Luke went on his journey from iritating teen to wise jedi master. Solo went of his journey from self-centred smuggler to cheeky nice-guy following a cause. Leia went from spoiled brat to someone calmer and wiser. That does not happen in TOR in my experience. There doesn't seem to be any character growth once you've left your starter planet.


Anyways, your view may vary and its all just opinions, but personally I only watched the movies (recorded off tv on tape, then vhs, then dvd, then blu-ray....) and played most SW games and I don't feel like I'm living my Star Wars experience. In fact, there are precisely 2 moments in the entirity of the game where I've felt like I'm playing Star Wars:

1) Acquiring my lightsaber on Tython and the following fight
2) Warlord Kephess when you kill a bomber and have to use the bomb on the warstrider.

Thats it. The rest has been too generic to feel star warsy.

To me SWTOR is much more Star Wars than SWG ever was...I guess different people have different opinions of what Star Wars is.

Whats niave is to think the movies are the end all be all. You don't have to know anything about an extend SW universe to know there is more to it. You might personally want it to be in a certain time period but SWTOR is not in the movie settings. Never has been, never announced as and most likely never will be.

No, whats common sense is people relating to the movies. The game is not a direct extension of those movies but a prequel of sorts. Our expereince may be the movies but if you came into the game thinking SWTOR was that then I'd say you didn't play any of TOR games or read anything about SWTOR MMO before it came out.

Point of view only (AKA opinion), we all have one.

I'm more attached to my SW toons they I have ever been in other MMO's simply cause of the individual stories. Even when making dialogue choices that mean nothing at the end of the day, it's more fun to answer quest dialogue in a way I want than some automatic text driven read through. The game does deliver, just not to you.

It's not immersion that causing people to leave. If anything, it's lack of content to be played.

Content is what keeps you logging in, not immersion. The game has immersion but the content needs to expand and grow and at the rate we consume it, it's very hard for any new MMO to keep up. It's the same I see in a secert world, or GW2 - We race through the leveling, finish the end game and then grip cause there is no content. Immersion is a very distant second for holding gamers.

But of course all that is also my POv and opinion so you see how the rest of the debate might go. Probably no where.

However, this game is very much SW. Wanting it to be set in the movie period is one thing but claiming it's not SW cause it's not played out during those times is silly at best.

Everyone who know a little about Star Wars and who want a MMORPG about Star Wars should be ready to play in another timeline than the movies because they have to know that in the movie timeline there is only 2 siths, and so logic says that there would be no Jedi and no Siths playable... A Star Wars MMO without Jedi/Sith, could it be success ?

I always found a toy in my Lucky Charms box. I consider that lucky.

is this the same EU that's so far tried to make revan and the emperor, better stronger and more force adept than palpatine and (anikin minus the force adept)

i would listen to the EU more if it wasn't written by people who make up characters who have to be the biggest and best

^This.

Star Wars is more than the 6 movies and has been since before movies 1,2 &, 3.

@OP show your friends wookieepedia so they can get a full impression of what Star Wars has become.

"This is not Star Wars"

If that statement refers to Star Wars, Empire and RotJ, then it's a bad thing.

If it refers to the craptacular prequels, it's a very, very, very good thing.

Star Wars is about as mutidimensional as a sheet of paper. It's good vs. evil, nothing more. The only differentiation in "plot" between any of them is just which of the white hats or black hats are the power and which are the underdogs. The timelines of all the various incarnations make no sense at all. Any one of the installments could take place a week or an eon before or after any of the others. Technology (and even fashion) in the SW universe seems to have been in a state of complete stagnation for thousands of years. The whole universe is stuck in a bizarro mix of Tolkein/DnD fantasy, old west cowboys, samurais, Nazis, and Star Trek pseudo-science.

As a fan (and not a fanatic) TOR is Star Wars enough for me. It's has much more of a SW feel than the prequels. It's also better written, better acted, and tells a better story.