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Optimization Truth: It was NEVER my computer?

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turjake
09.08.2012 , 01:31 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
That is virtually impossible with a single threaded game. It will only run the game on 1 (ONE) processor.

So either your testing is wrong or you have a processor that does what no one else's can do. (I doubt this)
I think you forgot few other possibilities: 1. you are wrong when you claim it is impossible (even virtually). 2. It is not single threaded.

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Metalmac
09.08.2012 , 01:34 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Your right it is simple.. But it isn't that simple.. Making the claim that my computer runs this game will so it should run SWTOR, is comparing apples to oranges at the very least.. You have also not invalidated a single point..

GW2 and this game run on completely different game engines.. Neither of which do the same thing or use the same methods to get things done.. So it is useless and lame to say my computer runs GW2 good so it should run SWTOR good.. That is simply the facts..

Now I am not going to sit here and get into a debate over what game engine is better.. That would be a useless effort.. I will say, and I have said it before.. There are people that are currently playing SWTOR that get excellent game performance.. Perhaps you should look at what is different between their computer and yours.. QQ about Bioware or any other gaming manufacturer and demanding that they fix your problems isn't going to get anything solved.. We all run the same version of the game.. Why do some people have performance issues, while others do not??

How about we spend less time trying to compare apples and oranges.. That should be simple enough..
You clearly do not understand software and hardware.
If any game or software does not live up to performance expected even though using a older OS (XP) yet the only thing that is different is people using newer OS (Windows 7) but the game is running better on older computers then clearly the software or game is the issue.
SWTOR is a single threaded game in a Windows 7 multi-threaded world.
The game engine is exactly what is wrong with the game. This is a non-issue to fix as it is a out dated engine.

Apple and Oranges are that it runs worse on new multi-core systems with slower clock speeds then single-core systems with higher clock speeds. Thus why older system work better as single threads can run faster.

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Metalmac
09.08.2012 , 01:36 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by turjake View Post
I think you forgot few other possibilities: 1. you are wrong when you claim it is impossible (even virtually). 2. It is not single threaded.
Really how much software have you written?
I am a retired programmer. Mostly drivers and device access in machine language.

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Metalmac
09.08.2012 , 01:39 AM | #94
I should add that you can very quickly confirm it is single threaded by downloading simple tools to check this fact.

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Superawesomerman
09.08.2012 , 01:39 AM | #95
Lol, SWTOR already runs two instances... They could just run more! Walah! Multithreading.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, and open up task manager while playing.

Specifically, playing SWTOR.
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Metalmac
09.08.2012 , 01:44 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Superawesomerman View Post
Lol, SWTOR already runs two instances... They could just run more! Walah! Multithreading.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, and open up task manager while playing.

Specifically, playing SWTOR.
This was done to speed up a very slow game. It is known as the poor mans way to fake multi-thread design.

You can not add a third or forth thread as then you would get thrashing between threads or conflicts as to which one has priority over the other.

If the game was multi threaded in the first place then this would not be a problem as it is predetermined.

(This also explains those really slow loading screens)

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turjake
09.08.2012 , 01:56 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
Really how much software have you written?
I am a retired programmer. Mostly drivers and device access in machine language.
A bit, and still am.

You said:
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" That is virtually impossible with a single threaded game. It will only run the game on 1 (ONE) processor.
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I said:
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"So either your testing is wrong or you have a processor that does what no one else's can do. (I doubt this)
I think you forgot few other possibilities: 1. you are wrong when you claim it is impossible (even virtually). 2. It is not single threaded. "
I am sure you know what a context switch is. In a multi processor system the os should make sure the context stays in one processor, on the other hand it can switch to another. So it is possible that because of some driver (or whatever) bug the os switches the game between all 4 processors and you will see even load in all of them when you play, even if the game is singlethreaded. Ofcourse you shouldnt see a good performance in that case.

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BaronV
09.08.2012 , 02:02 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
That is virtually impossible with a single threaded game. It will only run the game on 1 (ONE) processor.

So either your testing is wrong or you have a processor that does what no one else's can do. (I doubt this)
This game is not single threaded. its dual threaded.more than 2 cores is supposedly wasted on SWTOR, but im not sure how much Windows 7 cpu load balancing helps for more than 2 cores
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BaronV
09.08.2012 , 02:25 AM | #99
Oh and I just logged in to a low lvl smuggler alt on Ord Mantel. 35FPS with only 32 people online.

Tell me its my hardware again! I DARE YOU!
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Yogol
09.08.2012 , 02:38 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Qarran View Post
Well, I'm lucky. I have a computer that runs this game very well. It is a high end system with dual graphics etc. etc. I'm also running the game on my laptop and older system not designed for gaming and it runs fine after I tweaked down the graphics a bit (turn off grass, tress etc.)

So before we start discussing specs, I'd like to know the specs of your system OP. It is highly relevant to this discussion.
Well... I got Windows 7, OS & SWTOR on a dedicated SSD disk, 8GB RAM, i7 processors.

Beta went fine, pre-launch went fine, playing went fine... then cam the patch last wednesday. BOOM, FPS was dead. Now, I can not even start the game, it says ''error C7, your system is incompatible'', lol.

You can stick your head in the sand and say ''it's you'', but it's really, really not, lol.
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