Optimization Truth: It was NEVER my computer?

Absurd. All i see in this thread is folks offering some help or knowledge. Take it or not. But skip the insults.

BINGO We have a winner!
My 2.93Ghz Mac Pro runs the game well but a buddy with a multi core NEW computer does not!

This is incorrect, from my testing. I'm running a Q6600 quad-core 2.4 GHz system, and at the moment I'm seeing a spread of 34 / 28 / 28 / 35 across the 4 cores.

Explains a great many things, and why my five year old, dual core, fast cpu machine is outperforming some of the newer ones.

It goes without saying that someone who is overclocking everything knows what they are doing and isnt going to do something as NOOB as OCing without an adequate PSU or cooling system (in case you want to blame that next). If your PSU is inadequate you would be having much worse problems than poor fps in games.

Before I start my counter arguments let me just say when I say "you" below I dont mean the person quoted specifically, but rather all the people here who are trying to say things like I have an inadequate PSU or whatever.

I have a 650W CoolerMaster GX Bronze power supply and it has only hit the 500W mark when I was doing benchmarking to test the stability of my overclock. You people obviously have no clue about what your talking about for several reasons:
1) If my PSU was inadequate id have system stability isues, hanging, freezing, glitches, shutdowns etc. I have none. My PSU hasnt blown up and I have tested my OC stability and have not found any problems. At any rate not only is my overclock mild, SWTOR doesnt drive my hardware that hard to begin with.
2) Your comments clearly show a lack of understanding in how overclocking in ivy bridge CPUs and Kepler GPUs work. Go study up before you shoot of your mouth. its not just raw FSB or voltage tweaks that lead to massive power draw increases anymore. There is something known as a power target. OCing in Kepler especially is alot more intelligent than the previous versions of geforce.
3) It has been shown time and time again that SWTOR is CPU intensive and not GPU intensive once you have the required hardware to run this game at your graphics settings. Kepler does the toughest DX9 games in its sleep and my GTX670 eats SWTOR for dinner. The increased power target and overclocks dont even kick in according to my EVGA precisionX log...
4) The attacks on my hardware still does'nt justify why anyone should requiere such high hardware as mine to have good playback quality when this game is running on a DX9 engine from 2006 with so-so graphics that look like they are from 2009. A good PC from 2009 should be able to make this game fly.

And no this is a fully built custom rig with quality parts not some cheap knock-off by Dell or HP or whoever. I know what Im doing.

What truly amazes me is that after all of this evidence by so many people (not just my own) you ostriches still refuse to get your freakking heads out of the sand. Make no mistake about it im not really complaining about the 65fps im experiencing now. Its VERY playable.

But the question you should be asking is WHY after the latest update someone like me with all the computing power is suddenly getting 65fps on a very low pop world and in a place where there arent any NPCs or players? (just a few tauntauns). This especially after I mentioned I was getting 112fps before that in a heavy fleet. This after I mentioned how I saw a marked drop in fps on my old laptop as time went by from November 2011 - June 2012 (when I got my new rig).

At any rate I dont expect to convince anyone. I just wanted to chip in my two cents supporting the OP since people as usual were trying to attack him and his hardware. I just laugh when people accuse me of lying about fps drops with the patches. So you got better fps as time went by...well whoop-dee-do! good for you. I had the exact opposite. After 1.2 I started watching fps very closely because it was negatively affecting my gameplay. In beta I was pleasantly surprised to get decent fps with high graphics settings because I knew then that my hardware was a little dated by then. However I saw the performance drop as the patches rolled by. You can accuse me of lying all you want but it wont change the fact that it was my personal experience (and a lot of people out there have had a similar experience)

At any rate you people have been successful at derailing this topic (which was probably your objective to begin with) Carefully reading the OPs post will show you that THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT HIS PERSONAL FPS ISSUES

This topic is about how Bioware LIED to us right in our faces. Its about how they insulted our intelligence by blaming our hardware when they knew right from the start that the Hero Engine was problematic

LOL. Bronze, silver gold and platinum DO NOT tell you about how consistent or clean the power supply is. They are the various grades of the 80PLUS PSU efficiency standard. Having a platinum PSU just means that its more power efficient than a Bronze PSU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS

look guys its this simple...

when i can run guild wars 2 and similar looking games RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE maxed out with zero performance issues on my ole phenom....it pretty much invalidates any and all arguments against " my hardware" from the bioware defense force...

fact of life is this, most average joes WILL NOT put with the hassle of tweaking their machines and installing drivers, making ramdisks, isntalling dx9 and god knows what other trick to get this game to run smooth when there will be TONS of f2p games out there that run with 100 percent less hassle to set up and play..

when i can do wvwvw in gw2 @ 1080 resolutions with just the occasional hitching with a whole bunch of people and stuff happening on screen ....yea idc what you dingleberries keep regurgitating , its the ****** engine , period

Your right it is simple.. But it isn't that simple.. Making the claim that my computer runs this game will so it should run SWTOR, is comparing apples to oranges at the very least.. You have also not invalidated a single point..

GW2 and this game run on completely different game engines.. Neither of which do the same thing or use the same methods to get things done.. So it is useless and lame to say my computer runs GW2 good so it should run SWTOR good.. That is simply the facts..

Now I am not going to sit here and get into a debate over what game engine is better.. That would be a useless effort.. I will say, and I have said it before.. There are people that are currently playing SWTOR that get excellent game performance.. Perhaps you should look at what is different between their computer and yours.. QQ about Bioware or any other gaming manufacturer and demanding that they fix your problems isn't going to get anything solved.. We all run the same version of the game.. Why do some people have performance issues, while others do not??

How about we spend less time trying to compare apples and oranges.. That should be simple enough..

lol oh the irony....

thats EXACTLY my point, its not the hardware , its the software

now you can defend swtor and their hero engine till you are blue in your face, but if ALL my other games run great , and this one doesnt , it doesnt take a rocket scientist nor complicated arguments to see the problem is THIS engine, wich was my original point........hows that for irony?

i love swtor , i really do, but how is it that i have one flawless huuuuuuuuge world on one mmo, and i have to take 2 loading screens everytime i wipe in an instance or raid, one to rez, one to walk back inside ffs...

why do you think they have to split people into instances?
the engine cannot handle more than a certain amount of people together in one place, it simply cant..

to me , as a gamer, i want to experience the game as it was meant to without having to hassle myself figuring out how to make it run smoothly or whatnot, and this is coming from a guy that knows his way around computers, i can promise you that the average joe will not put himself thru the hassle nor stutter along for very long without moving on to one of the other 121442342343534 gazillion f2p games out there....

if you want swtor to succeed its in your best interest that it runs, no problems no questions asked on as many possible systems out there

kinda like every other successful game franchise and mmo has done in the past...one of the reasons blizzard games where so popular is that it ran on pretty much any system you would install it on without problems

That is virtually impossible with a single threaded game. It will only run the game on 1 (ONE) processor.

So either your testing is wrong or you have a processor that does what no one else's can do. (I doubt this)