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Wolfninjajedi
09.06.2012 , 10:26 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Actually, the fall was a very long process, starting from when Anakin first arrived to Coruscant. The events of the prequels was being planned out for several years before TPM. It may seem sudden, but that was everything Palpatine had done come to a head.
Another annoyance of mine, people think Anakin's fall was sudden. When if you know, they actually watched him throughout the 3 movies you see him slowly fall. Starts with being taken from his mother, then his mother dying among his love for Padme, then finally having the vision of Padme dying. That is what is shown on screen, and once more people forget that years go by thus we have a time period where we don't see where it could have shown Anakin falling even more. You couple those thoughts into the 3 movies, and when his fall comes full circle you can see it makes sense but I guess some don't like imagination.
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BlazingShadow
09.06.2012 , 10:34 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Actually, the fall was a very long process, starting from when Anakin first arrived to Coruscant. The events of the prequels was being planned out for several years before TPM. It may seem sudden, but that was everything Palpatine had done come to a head.
You mean the two or three conversations between monster mash, the jedi saying anakin is afraid, and the OTHER incident of genocide on Tatooine? Yeah, that would be considerable buildup if it wasn't spread out in three movies.

Palpatine did three things: said Hi jn episode one, said "Ur kewl" in episode 2, and converted him to the derkside in episode 3 quite suddenly with this looming fear of padme's death, and protecting that one life justifies mass murder of babies. Nope, no middle ground, no time to warm up to the darkside just "Kill ALL the children! "

Speaking of which why in all of the EU, all of the books, all of anythibg star wars is whaanakin never confronted about his tusken raider genocide? That seems like something which would require serious counseling -at least- if he were toremain a member of a peacekeeping, life-loving organization. Just sayin'

Furthermore, if Padme knew about his capacity for genocide of men women AND children, why is she the least bit surprised when she finds out (second hand knowledge by the ways) that he killed more children? This is a girl that fell into a forbidden love, mind you, just hours/days after his first genocide... Shouldn't she at least expect some sort of this behavior when he expressed his concern of losing her like his mother? That was the original motivation for killing the sandppl in the first place. It might make sense in some book, but star wars isn't some lame book club, it is and will always be about the movies.

Back to my original point, Lucas is not responsible with adult themes as shown by the episode 2 romance, expression of genocidal tendencies, or political interaction. It was all poorly written, poorly executed an ultimately just a ploy to make money off of star wars fanatics. No, just no. Stick to the formula or do not write. Or if you must tackle more adult material, stay in the book section of star wars where the rest of the fanfiction is.

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BlazingShadow
09.06.2012 , 10:49 PM | #23
For added emphasis, you DON'T see him fall slowly through three movies, you see three events and a ery limited amount of dialogue take place VERY SLOWLY through tree movies. That's not te same as falling slowly, it's just poor writing.


Recount his fall: being told he is afraid, talking to monster mash who congrats him on his first assignment, derpicide1, talking to monstermash about his wife and how little he is respected like any angsty teen would, and then he falls, signified by derpicide 2 and epic angst "I HATE YOUUUUU WHAAA"

Not slowly falling, just slowly and BRIEFLY progressed.

Brief.

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Lithy
09.06.2012 , 10:54 PM | #24
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Besides 1313, don't you wish we had many more mature Star Wars stories and no, I don't mean the dark and gritty mis-understood 'in' stories of recent years, but generally just more powerful storytelling instead of EP1C L1ghtZaber Battles! mixed with Jar-Jar style comedy? one of the main reasons I dislike the Clone Wars it just lack of maturity in much of it, don't get me wrong, some of the Dark Side tales are very well done, but most of the time it's just 'bleh' for me.

Now SWTOR is kind of heading in the right direction, but I seriously wished it took a Harry Potter movie style of transition for much of the franchise as a whole, from the childish toned-down version of storytelling in Philosopher's Stone to a far far more adult series by the time of Goblet of Fire.

I am sure some will disagree and claim 'maturity' isn't the Star Wars style, but how could ESB and ROTJ be any more directed towards adults? which is probably the reason many like ESB over ANH.
TOR was a great step, it has alot of thing I LOVE in the universe in those ways. It's not all OMG happy and theres alot darker sides to it.... I wish this was M rated, Nar Shadda could be expanded it so many ways, Gambling the obvious one.. along with all the dark and gritty of the underworld. The fade to blacks could be more intimate without showing anything, like what u'd see in an R rated movie maybe. Not ****, i would never want that for this but just more a way of connection with the characters. As someone said explore the underworld aspect way more in a setting like this.

Anyway just take it to a real adult oriented aspect to the story telling thats not kid-friendly. I would love that SW has the potential to be everything and I would love one fully directed at that type of audience.
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BrandonSM
09.07.2012 , 04:38 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by BlazingShadow View Post
No, my problem isn't that they killed kids, it's that they could not be bothered to explain the depth of his fall in any other way than "Oh, he kills babies and stomps puppies"

The transition from Whaaanakin to vader was so sudden and rushed, it was embarrassung. That is why Star Wars should not and frankly cannot tackle more adult themes- they are not able to handle it responsibly.
Are you serious?

All your doing is ranting about a 5 second scene in a 2hr and 15m movie.

If thats all your thinking about when someone says SW must become more mature, its obvious you need to become more mature and may not be able to handle maturity.


Maturity does not necessarily mean slaughter and sex.


EDIT: The entire ROTS Movie is the fall of Anakin, him killing Count Dooku. Loving Padme, killing Mace Windu, Palpatine manipulating him, etc. It bewilders me that all you can think of him turning is that small scene.
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Eillack
09.07.2012 , 05:57 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Another annoyance of mine, people think Anakin's fall was sudden. When if you know, they actually watched him throughout the 3 movies you see him slowly fall. Starts with being taken from his mother, then his mother dying among his love for Padme, then finally having the vision of Padme dying. That is what is shown on screen, and once more people forget that years go by thus we have a time period where we don't see where it could have shown Anakin falling even more. You couple those thoughts into the 3 movies, and when his fall comes full circle you can see it makes sense but I guess some don't like imagination.
^ This.

The PT takes place over 10+ years....boohoo only an X amount of scenes really go into it...but wow there's a thing called "thinking" and "logic!" Why are people so short sighted on Anakin's fall? Did Anakin and everyone else just standing around between the movies? NO. There were adventures, battles, and events between the films that dive deeper into his fall. I just have no clue why all the "Anakin went darkside over night, ***!?" comments even pop up...but I guess that is one of the flaws of the Star Wars fanbase: everyone takes every little detail too far and doesn't try to look if there is any reason for XYZ happening. [They] just see something happen and either praise it or cry about it for years and then troll/rage those who don/t agree.
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Aurbere
09.07.2012 , 10:43 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by BlazingShadow View Post
You mean the two or three conversations between monster mash, the jedi saying anakin is afraid, and the OTHER incident of genocide on Tatooine? Yeah, that would be considerable buildup if it wasn't spread out in three movies.

Palpatine did three things: said Hi jn episode one, said "Ur kewl" in episode 2, and converted him to the derkside in episode 3 quite suddenly with this looming fear of padme's death, and protecting that one life justifies mass murder of babies. Nope, no middle ground, no time to warm up to the darkside just "Kill ALL the children! "

Speaking of which why in all of the EU, all of the books, all of anythibg star wars is whaanakin never confronted about his tusken raider genocide? That seems like something which would require serious counseling -at least- if he were toremain a member of a peacekeeping, life-loving organization. Just sayin'

Furthermore, if Padme knew about his capacity for genocide of men women AND children, why is she the least bit surprised when she finds out (second hand knowledge by the ways) that he killed more children? This is a girl that fell into a forbidden love, mind you, just hours/days after his first genocide... Shouldn't she at least expect some sort of this behavior when he expressed his concern of losing her like his mother? That was the original motivation for killing the sandppl in the first place. It might make sense in some book, but star wars isn't some lame book club, it is and will always be about the movies.

Back to my original point, Lucas is not responsible with adult themes as shown by the episode 2 romance, expression of genocidal tendencies, or political interaction. It was all poorly written, poorly executed an ultimately just a ploy to make money off of star wars fanatics. No, just no. Stick to the formula or do not write. Or if you must tackle more adult material, stay in the book section of star wars where the rest of the fanfiction is.
Except between episodes 1 and 2, Palpatine is manipulating him. Same with the time between episodes 2 and 3.
There was actually some stuff happening between movies rather than them just standing around.

On the topic of Sand People.
1. That event isn't common knowledge. I doubt even Obi-Wan knew about it.
2. Anakin never thinks about the consequences. Much like this generation, he wanted instant satisfaction without consequences.

You don't seem to grasp the nature of the Dark Side. Once it has you, it won't let go. Anakin's first taste of the Dark Side(on screen) was the slaughter of the tusken camp. That was his first step down the path of the Dark Side. Then comes the Clone Wars. The events of the Clone Wars took him farther down that path culminating in one final choice. The Dark Side had Anakin for a long time. The fall didn't happen over night. Falling to the Dark Side is usually a long process for Jedi. There are some cases where Jedi fall quickly, but that is due to lack of training.
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Beniboybling
09.07.2012 , 11:32 AM | #28
Hey guys, lets just accept the Star Wars movies as they are and get back on topic :P