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Optimization Truth: It was NEVER my computer?

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Optimization Truth: It was NEVER my computer?

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islander
09.07.2012 , 09:31 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Helistin View Post
That first quote is just priceless.
But on the other hand what would you expect them to say?

' We spend 200 million dollars developing the game and all you got was unfinished mmo from the year 2006 that features a crappy engine'
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09.07.2012 , 09:53 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by FreePrometheus View Post
Must admit, i haven't read the whole thread. Only the OP. But i bought this computer recently, to pretty much suit the tech spec, for this game. And it makes the game, for lack of a better word, wonderful (That is, more so than before.) No lag, no framerate problems. Nothing but crisp clear and smooth gameplay. I'm not trying to claim you are wrong. Per se. But perhaps there is a grain of truth in what has been claimed by others?

Just wanted to put my two penneth in.

[EDIT]: When i say i run the game well with no problems, i do mean at full graphics etc...
So that means no dips to 20-25 fps at max settings, 1080p and in a 16 man operation or the Nightmare Pilgrim on Voss?

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09.07.2012 , 09:54 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by exca View Post
You can try SWTOR Unleashed from my signature to reduce drastically your fps drops.

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It does NOT reduce framerate drops.

It DOES however reduce stuttering, observed when the game has to load data from your HDD (mostly happens on fleet and other crowded areas). Also helps a lot with loading times.
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09.07.2012 , 09:54 AM | #64
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In short, your Hero engine...well...sucks. It is poorly optimized, and the amount of hitching and slowdowns i experience as the game loads everything is downright frustrating..

heres an example:

flashpoint,you and your group "Wipe"
so now you have to resurrect at med center , one loading screen, just to appear at the entrance where i have to walk 2 steps forward to get back into the isntance.and thats ANOTHER LOAD SCREEN! why do i have to go thru 2 loading screens back to back ? why not rez me inside the instance?

going to a planet: ship loading screen, galaxy map, travel there, now exit ship, now load screen , now orbital station, now load screen , now shuttle, now load screen again , and finally im on the planet...

ive put up with it for so long because i like the game, but the poor implementation of the engine also makes me run at 24 frames per second generaly on a machine that runs skyrim, guild wars 2 , battlefield 3 , and a few other graphically intensive games with what could be equated to 200% better performance ...im left with no choice but to decide its your optimization on the hero engine and how it uses video card drivers

ive been puttin together PC's and gaming on them for the past 12 years, i still remember all my DOS commands and ive installed more video card drivers and copies of EVERY windows release than you can imagine, so im not some scrub with an adware ridden best buy pc speaking out of my butt, believe me when i say , that if you want your f2p model to work , you need to make it so that any regular joe can run it smoothly, because most f2p comers will NOT put up with this poor engine performance for months on end like i have, let alone invest 6 months into it...

anyways , i might be back as a subscriber if major overhauls are done to the engine and its optimization , if GW2 can do it with 2.0 shaders and 100 people on screen on this machine...then its not me , it swtor ...good luck !
^ my cancel statement, i love the game , but ive been gaming and putting together pcs for more than a decade, i KNOW its not on my end ...ill be back eventually if they optimze this, meantime i will be doing events @ 1080p on GW2 with a hundred people on screen running smoothly...not even exagerating

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Burtlebe
09.07.2012 , 10:07 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinop View Post
Yeah hi, research more. My game was running terrible on my 5 year old rig.

Recently bought a new rig (i5 3.4 over clocked to 4.4ghz, 16 gig RAM, windows 7 and a GTX 660ti) game now runs fine everywhere solid 60 fps everywhere because I keep vsync on. So yeah I used to be of the opinion the engine is bad now I know it's just not very good with old hardware.
My computer is 3 years old but i do have vista 64 bit on it and 16 gb of ram. Other than some spikes in operations I have no issues running game on full graphics. I do think there are some optimizations needed but not as drastic as some make it. Also I wonder how much vista or 7 in 64bit makes for performance plus.
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09.07.2012 , 10:17 AM | #66
For the first couple months after release I had to run the game at reduced res and it still caused my gfx card to heat up. But now I run it at full 2560x1600 windowed mode and there are no noticeable issues except when there are too many pcs or in some space missions. It has been optimized a lot.

But yea, mass world pvp fights will still have problems esp compared to gw2...

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09.07.2012 , 10:23 AM | #67
I love how the self-appointed "YOU MUST GLORIFY BIOWARE AT ALL TIMES!" police immediately turn this topic into "OP is complaining about frame rates. What are your PC specs OP? Your PC must be crap because my game runs fine!"

In reality this thread was about bioware deception and lying about the game engine problems by blaming player's PCs

I have been here since beta and EGA and virtually EVERY patch since launch has made fps worse. I used to be able to play on an older core2duo (2Ghz) laptop with a humble 9600mgt at 1280x800 and 4GB ram and get decent frame rates (40-50) throughout (PvE only since i dont PvP) with shadows on high, AA at 4x and bloom on.

1.2 took a huge chunk out of fps and I had to turn off bloom and shadows to have smooth play of around 25fps.

1.3 made the game nigh unplayable in many scenarios unless i really turned the graphics down. At that point i finally shelled 4 months salary for a spanking new computer and was happy to get around 112-120 fps in normal scenarios and 95-100fps in semi crowded fleet.

After seeing this post today I just checked my fps and its an apalling 64fps on Hoth with only 22 people on the server and nothing in sight but a few tauntauns as far as the eye can see...

And before you go whacking my new PC here are the specs
Ivy Bridge Core i7 3770K OCed to 4 GHz
Z77 motherboard
8GB Kingston HyperX running at 1600
Gigabyte Geforce GTX670 with windforce OCed to around 1080MHz (cant remb the exact figure)
Mushkin Chronos elite SSD connected to SATA3 bus (this is both my OS drive and the drive running SWTOR)
Windows 7 Home Premium x64 with all latest drivers and directX installed (even installed the latest DX9 known to help improve SWTOR performance)

So dont tell me its my system. I have seen the performance of the game steadily degrade with every patch released. The degradation of my laptop or new desktop hardware is far too miniscule to result in the fps drops - ITS THE SOFTWARE!!
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Kubernetic
09.07.2012 , 10:29 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
I love how the self-appointed "YOU MUST GLORIFY BIOWARE AT ALL TIMES!" police immediately turn this topic into "OP is complaining about frame rates. What are your PC specs OP? Your PC must be crap because my game runs fine!"

In reality this thread was about bioware deception and lying about the game engine problems by blaming player's PCs

I have been here since beta and EGA and virtually EVERY patch since launch has made fps worse. I used to be able to play on an older core2duo (2Ghz) laptop with a humble 9600mgt at 1280x800 and 4GB ram and get decent frame rates (40-50) throughout (PvE only since i dont PvP) with shadows on high, AA at 4x and bloom on.

1.2 took a huge chunk out of fps and I had to turn off bloom and shadows to have smooth play of around 25fps.

1.3 made the game nigh unplayable in many scenarios unless i really turned the graphics down. At that point i finally shelled 4 months salary for a spanking new computer and was happy to get around 112-120 fps in normal scenarios and 95-100fps in semi crowded fleet.

After seeing this post today I just checked my fps and its an apalling 64fps on Hoth with only 22 people on the server and nothing in sight but a few tauntauns as far as the eye can see...

And before you go whacking my new PC here are the specs
Ivy Bridge Core i7 3770K OCed to 4 GHz
Z77 motherboard
8GB Kingston HyperX running at 1600
Gigabyte Geforce GTX670 with windforce OCed to around 1080MHz (cant remb the exact figure)
Mushkin Chronos elite SSD connected to SATA3 bus (this is both my OS drive and the drive running SWTOR)
Windows 7 Home Premium x64 with all latest drivers and directX installed (even installed the latest DX9 known to help improve SWTOR performance)

So dont tell me its my system. I have seen the performance of the game steadily degrade with every patch released. The degradation of my laptop or new desktop hardware is far too miniscule to result in the fps drops - ITS THE SOFTWARE!!
You forgot to list the specs on your power supply. This is especially important for you as you're overclocking just about everything that I can see here.

Looks like your GTX670 requires a 500W supply without being overclocked. That you have everything else overclocked, I'm guessing you're going to need at least a 750W-800W supply in there to avoid any issues. But that's just a guess.
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09.07.2012 , 11:58 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
Looks like your GTX670 requires a 500W supply without being overclocked. That you have everything else overclocked, I'm guessing you're going to need at least a 750W-800W supply in there to avoid any issues. But that's just a guess.
And it's a pretty silly guess.

While the guy you're responding to is patently wrong (or lying), there's nothing about his system that would require a 750W PSU. I run a i7-2600K at 4.5GHz, with an extra hard drive, sound card, a few NICs and a full compliment of RAM and the whole thing needs only 350W from the wall while I play SWTOR. Yeah, he's got a 670 instead of my 560Ti, but I promise you that there isn't a 400W difference between the two. It's foolish to try and use manufacturers PSU recommendations like you did up there. In most cases, the 500W requirement is for the system, assuming a same-class CPU. And overclocking modern CPUs and GPUs does not increase overall system (fixed) power consumption by 50%.

That's said: The previous poster was, again, very wrong. There have been quite a few improvements that drastically increased performance, very specifically improvements to high-congestion areas like Fleet. Want proof? Watch mobs or other NPCs in the distance. Anyone with decent vision will notice that their animation isn't being updated as frequently as stuff thats closer to you. That was one of the more drastic improvements that increased performance for lower-end systems. There have been plenty of others.

At the very least, I can match their "It ALWAYS gets worse" anecdote with two "It's gotten much better" anecdotes: Two of the people I regularly play with were using borderline-gaming laptops and saw significant improvements in framerates and reduced number of framerate drops across a number of patches between 1.2 and 1.3.

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Insomnio
09.07.2012 , 12:26 PM | #70
The games performance is hit and miss. No need to yell at anyone, if you have a computer that works great with the game, congradulations.

Posting your specs to give people an example of what it takes to run the game smoothly at all times, or offering the people with problems some sort of advice is also a polite thing to do- blatenly calling them ignorant or telling them they need to upgrade withought knowing what system they are using is just rude.

I play on a phenom ii x4, ati 6870, with 16gb of corsair vengence ram (and a 700w power supply to the power guy). I have problems with the games performance frequently enough, not 100% of the time, but in most instances where there are a number of people I do get some drastic dips.