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Optimization Truth: It was NEVER my computer?
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Spatology
09.07.2012 , 01:04 AM | #51
Turn your graphics down.

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Kyse
09.07.2012 , 02:27 AM | #52
my gfx card is only a 9500 gt and i feel as if i run this game pretty good for what i got for gfx card anyways and i run another game and facebook and other stuff in the back ground so if u lag then it is your comp maybe u just so happen 2 have a gfx card that just dont like swtor or maybe u think u got a good comp but u really dont or maybe u got one of them junky dell comps and didnt build your own lol

i would say update your stuff as in drivers and junk if that dont fix it then the game just dont like what u got in your comp and u just going 2 have to live with it wait till it gets fixed by a driver update or swtor fixes it some how or just get a better comp

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Goretzu
09.07.2012 , 02:36 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Diet-Hutt View Post
Hence why low-end computers can play this game.

Obviously, but the fact is, I am above the requirements to play the game and that should be enough not to have so many issues.

Otherwise change the requirements and state that the previous requirements aren't accurate for NORMAL gameplay.

What would be the point of giving those requirements if a player can't properly play the game if they match them?



Just so we can get back to the actual subject of the engine not being properly optimized and being written about by professional gaming reviewers besides basic players.




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There's a lot that is strange with SWTORs performance. For instance with some messing around I've discovered that Win XP tends to runs it significantly better than Win 7 on the same spec machine (not high spec, but not low spec either) - this was the case with XP vs Vista in a lot of games for a long time, but since Win 7 came out not so much. Even on machines of higher spec (med-high) that should just be better irrespective of OS. Of course, YMMV.
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turjake
09.07.2012 , 04:58 AM | #54
I used to work in a big IT-company doing server and other support and admin work. When ever we wanted to start using some new software, like Oracle or SQL-server or whatever we needed to test both the software versions and the hardware together to make sure they all ran smoothly. Quite often there were some little optimization stuff to do even when we followed the software manufacturers suggestions. Occasionally the brand new hardware was broken. Sometimes it was some driver version or some version of libraries in the operating system.

Typical home computer is basically a pile of parts assembled and then operating system installed. Sometimes it is installed by a professional company and they might test the parts so that they work well together. They might even optimize the operating system for gaming, or whatever. On the other hand, most of the time you get what you get. Even with readily installed and tested rig some driver update might mess the system. Or some fancy program the user wants to use and installs himself.

For example, my old comp runs most games I play relatively good. Few months ago I upgraded the graphics driver to see if performance in some game became better. Instead it messed performance in some other game. Rest of the games were as they were before. I ofcourse did not go and complain in that games boards that all the other games work nicely and their game is unoptimized, since the problem was obviously the driver.

(tldr) So the point is: Even when you buy a new computer you cannot be sure it runs fully optimized in every possible situation (every game is a bit different).

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MajikMyst
09.07.2012 , 05:34 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
A few comments, directed at the topic, not at any particular poster in this thead:

There are a lot of factors that play into performance issues with MMOs. Some on the producer side and some on the player side. There are literally tens of thousands of configurations in users hands and all manner of user tweaking (which is notorious for making one game play better while another plays worse as a result). It's a complex interoperability equation any way you try to address it.

To go to either extreme view as to cause is senseless and hyperbolic. Such as the OP laying it all at the producers door. Using the word NEVER in any discussion about the game in a general discussion forum is taking an extreme view. The same is true for using the word ALWAYS. It's deliberate polarization to make a point.

Performance optimization in an MMO is a journey, not a destination, and it requires sensible analysis and adjustment by both player and producer. Players on an individual level, and producer on the macro level. Anyone who has played the genre over the years knows this. Some games come out the gate better then others. Some get better over time, some do not. And given the different styles, engines and coding of MMOs, comparing them is also largely apples to oranges.

Some people have performance issues with this game, some do not. Any patch where they tweak something in the graphics, some people suddenly have performance issues, and some do not. Personally, using stock hardware and stock drivers on a mid-range gaming laptop at 1920, I have never had a problem with this particular games performance as long as I keep shadows off. At the same time, I acknowledge that some player have/do have performance issues (sometimes they also have extreme expectations, such as it needs to run at 100 FPS). Shadows implementation in this game has always been broken as far as I am concerned and should be disabled until such time as they fix it IMO.
^^

Quoted for truth.. Because so many people need to read this post.. Especially the OP.. To many times people want to sit back and blame Bioware their game performance woes.. They expect everything to be fixed for them..

I have spent $100's of dollars upgrading both my wife's and my computer, to make sure that we run this game well.. As of current, we both do.. Despite the post above, which I very much agree with.. My wife and I do run with shadows on..
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FreePrometheus
09.07.2012 , 05:40 AM | #56
Must admit, i haven't read the whole thread. Only the OP. But i bought this computer recently, to pretty much suit the tech spec, for this game. And it makes the game, for lack of a better word, wonderful (That is, more so than before.) No lag, no framerate problems. Nothing but crisp clear and smooth gameplay. I'm not trying to claim you are wrong. Per se. But perhaps there is a grain of truth in what has been claimed by others?

Just wanted to put my two penneth in.

[EDIT]: When i say i run the game well with no problems, i do mean at full graphics etc...

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exca
09.07.2012 , 06:02 AM | #57
You can try SWTOR Unleashed from my signature to reduce drastically your fps drops.

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Goretzu
09.07.2012 , 07:09 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by exca View Post
You can try SWTOR Unleashed from my signature to reduce drastically your fps drops.

Regards
Interesting.
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ripster
09.07.2012 , 08:21 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
It might be kind of tricky to find out what the power requirements of the card are if it came as an OEM install in a pre-built PC.
I mentioned before a problem I had with EQ2. Now I recall that I had just bought a new video card and had to worry about the power usage as I had a 250 or 300W and everything better than I had needed much more power. I found a decent card that claimed to work with my power supply but now that I think about it that may have still been an issue.
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And lastly, for folks with newer computers this may not be an issue, but then again, it may be. The cooling systems of your PC are also very important. That means having the proper airflow, not blocking the vents on the system with papers or clutter and so forth. Making sure the vent areas are dust-free and open for clear flow-through.
I also had problems with SWTOR a couple months ago where I was getting really bad frame rates all of a sudden an even crashes. I started to notice my fan was much more active than normal. So I bought some canned air and popped the side and cleaned everything out and it has been a lot better since.

(Note: I'm not saying this is the problem for everyone or that this game can handle heavy populations in one area, but there are often times causes not quite apparent and I know the game runs well on lower end machines so it is not as simple as saying you need a $5000 PC)

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VarKoE
09.07.2012 , 08:53 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Quinlynn View Post
Having the most up to date drivers is rarely a major issue. I have many times had to revert to WHQL cert'd drivers or older drivers because games crash when using the latest and greatest. Only dumb tech support people always harp on this as a real issue.
Dumb tech support... Nice

However he is not talking about video card drivers. He is talking about the os framework drivers. There is a thread ob this and for some folks this can help. I think it is the optimization thread that was started in april. (i think)
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