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F2P is Costing the Payers


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Styxx
09.06.2012 , 01:04 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Then why the charade of convincing me that the game is so flawed you would throttle it with consistency and aplomb? Why not try and help those who are here to see if the community is cool enough for them try the game actually feel at home?
I am not throttling anything. But I want this game to get better. All I am doing is asking the devs to actually show up and communicate. I AM showing the flaws in the game, so enough people see them and they get changed, to the better, I hope.

The only negativity I am showing is towards the ones that claim that F2P is the miracle they`ve been waiting for.. that is why I have the sig I have.. to show EA`s opinion on F2P. And towards the devs which almost seem to do everything backwards and trying to drive people away.

[EDIT]The only other way of "protesting" I know is cancel my sub and be done.. thing is.. I don`t want to. So I`m stuck posting on the Forums...
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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GalacticKegger
09.06.2012 , 01:10 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
I am not throttling anything. But I want this game to get better. All I am doing is asking the devs to actually show up and communicate. I AM showing the flaws in the game, so enough people see them and they get changed, to the better, I hope.

The only negativity I am showing is towards the ones that claim that F2P is the miracle they`ve been waiting for.. that is why I have the sig I have.. to show EA`s opinion on F2P. And towards the devs which almost seem to do everything backwards and trying to drive people away.
Want the game to succeed? Bring players in to help support its growth. Promoting flaws supports nothing but the promotion of flaws, and is of little consequence save for chasing people away.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Styxx
09.06.2012 , 01:16 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Want the game to get better? Bring players in to help support its growth. Promoting flaws supports nothing but the promotion of flaws, and is of little consequence saving chase people away.
You are 100% right, but what you are saying is half the problem. The other half is Bioware`s duty, to add content. I can bring players, but they will leave, because of the above mentioned flaws. Just as I need to bring players in and sugar coat this game, so must Bioware help me a little and correct those flaws . Am I wrong in thinking that Bioware has a role too, in all this nice dance?
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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H-aTreD
09.06.2012 , 01:21 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Want the game to succeed? Bring players in to help support its growth. Promoting flaws supports nothing but the promotion of flaws, and is of little consequence save for chasing people away.
How in the world do you or anyone in their right mind expect to bring players into this trainwreck of a game and tell them "Hey, we know it's bad as of now, but if you stick around for a while, it might get better".

To your point of people not complaining, hell you might have something there since all BW does is the exact opposite as the things the consumer wants. Maybe we should all try that and see what we end up with.

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GalacticKegger
09.06.2012 , 01:23 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
You are 100% right, but what you are saying is half the problem. The other half is Bioware`s duty, to add content. I can bring players, but they will leave, because of the above mentioned flaws. Just as I need to bring players in and sugar coat this game, so must Bioware help me a little and correct those flaws . Am I wrong in thinking that Bioware has a role too, in all this nice dance?
I brought in 3 players myself and all are still here. They don't see the flaws as anything other than those minor annoyances which accompany any MMO in its first year. With experience and understanding comes perspective. We're all MMO veterans who get it.

Having said that, I agree that Bioware could be more forthright with their plans. But their silence isn't killing me because I don't consider myself so privileged that I have a need to know what's under the hood. My subscription doesn't buy that. No one's does unless theirs includes shares of stock.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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GalacticKegger
09.06.2012 , 01:29 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by H-aTreD View Post
How in the world do you or anyone in their right mind expect to bring players into this trainwreck of a game and tell them "Hey, we know it's bad as of now, but if you stick around for a while, it might get better".

To your point of people not complaining, hell you might have something there since all BW does is the exact opposite as the things the consumer wants. Maybe we should all try that and see what we end up with.
But that's just it - it's not bad. It's just not perfect. I enjoy the combat explosions. I enjoy the farming. I enjoy the challenge of microing companions through HMs & flashpoints. The customizable UI rocks. I've made a mint off the GTN. The class stories are excellent and the voice animated quest interactions and interactive quest decision trees continue to be fun. That's what I will tell them. If that peaks their interest, cool. If it doesn't and they prefer blow & go quest grinds, cool. That just means the game isn't for them. Honestly, there isn't a grind on the planet worse than WoW's Firelands.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Styxx
09.06.2012 , 01:34 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
I brought in 3 players myself and all are still here. They don't see the flaws as anything other than those minor annoyances which accompany any MMO in its first year. With experience and understanding comes perspective. We're all MMO veterans who get it.

Having said that, I agree that Bioware could be more forthright with their plans. But their silence isn't killing me because I don't consider myself so privileged that I have a need to know what's under the hood. My subscription doesn't buy that. No one's does unless theirs includes shares of stock.
It isn`t killing me neither, but our Guild is getting smaller and smaller, with some veterans stating outright it`s either the coming of F2P and others that they got sick or re-rolling. And it`s getting harder to explain why should they stick around.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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H-aTreD
09.06.2012 , 01:42 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
But that's just it - it's not bad. It's just not perfect. I enjoy the combat explosions. I enjoy the farming. I enjoy the challenge of microing companions through HMs & flashpoints. The customizable UI rocks. I've made a mint off the GTN. The class stories are excellent and the voice animated quest interactions and interactive quest decision trees continue to be fun. That's what I will tell them. If that peaks their interest, cool. If it doesn't and they prefer blow & go quest grinds, cool. That just means the game isn't for them. Honestly, there isn't a grind on the planet worse than WoW's Firelands.
I can see your point to a casual player but the amount of end game content this game has is, well bad. The game as a general is far too easy and once you get to max level you don't have much to do other than dailies, Ops, FPs which are all (again) easy and get boring/bland real quick. What about people who love PvP (like myself)? We get the same 4 WZs we had when we were leveling up. Yeah, that sounds amazing, let me tell all my friends about this. Then you get the people defending this by saying "This isn't a PvP game". Yeah, no ****. But it's Star Wars and THAT is something I love, so I will continue to deal with it as long as I can but I can't honestly say with a straight face to my friends to come play this game without feeling like I'm sending them off to waste their money. Even at this point in months I have only logged in to do the event we recently had (which was horrible in my opinion). I keep my sub active in hopes that it WILL get better and MAYBE my $15/mo helps but really, the enjoyment I get out of these forums is well worth the $15/mo reguardless.

I don't honestly know if F2P is costing the players or not as I'm not a developer for Bioware, nor do I work for EA any longer. But what I do know, is we haven't recieved much in the way of content to keep people happy and still playing (sub numbers speak for this). So while I'm glad you enjoy the game, over half the playerbase doesn't agree and "voted with their wallets" as some like to put it.

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Shouku
09.06.2012 , 02:05 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Syntherx View Post
You didn't agree to terms of an article or a review. You DID agree to the EULA and TOS. That's the difference. I'm sorry you're not bright enough to understand that.

I never said you weren't entitled to anything. I said you are not entitled to more than you are paying for. Please go to see a reading tutor, your comphension needs some serious work or you've been missing the short bus for awhile now. Again: For your $15/month you are entitled to access to the game client, the ability to login, and the ability to play the game. That's it. You are not entitled to demanding that Bioware needs to give you something you are not paying for, demanding that EA/Bioware gives you every ounce of information going on in the background, or telling EA/Bioware how they are allowed to spend the money you pay them on a subscription. You're a customer, not a shareholder. You've received exactly what was agreed upon.

Going to Carl's Jr. and ordering a Six Dollar Burger doesn't allow you to demand corporate stock information or tell the manager that they need to order beef from a different vendor. It just gets you a burger. This is absolutely no different. I understand that you have spent time working on your characters in a game world you love. But that was your choice to do. It does not entitle you to more than the enjoyment of playing, no matter how much you think it does.
I guess the game according to you was made only for people such as yourself. Have fun with you and your 7 TOS/EULA players left on the last remnants of the last server here which will be in about a year.

BTW, I hope you or anyone else is not naive enough to think that the subscriptions are still stable and no longer falling since that public investor call where they stated they had between 500k-900k, I have 6 50s, in 3 different guilds, all suffering from losing players since the server merge, even after I switched my main to another guild, same scenario. The server merge is wearing as thin as the hype of open beta weekends and pre-launch marketing BS.

O, I did vote with my wallet, so to you and yours delight, I am joining those who have bailed which is a real shame because I am huge fan of Star Wars and love playing MMOs. The amount of wasted potential of what it could be and what it is in this game is staggering, just simply staggering. EA has failed completely to capitalize on both Star Wars and BW and on top of that BW is practically no more but a name and corp documents.
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Kubernetic
09.06.2012 , 03:13 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Lynnx View Post
It seems that almost all of the Devs' work and attention is being used for the F2P. Unfortunately, this doesn't help the paying players (except for those who want to stop paying) but it harms us.

It appears that there is nothing new happening, except for developing the F2P.

When I've played other MMOs, there often was new things happening.

Character transfers and server mergers are still in limbo. We have no idea when or if this will change.

There are many suggestions on these forums. Some are good, and some are impractical. Nevertheless, we have no indication whether or not they have been seen by the devs, or are under consideration or not.

BW needs to give us something for our patience and decision to not leave this game for a different game.
It appears you haven't been keeping up with forum posts, interviews, and developer comments.

-- We just had a world event in August.
-- Development of World PVP is still ongoing, and appears to now be tentatively slated for a January 2013 release.
-- The Super Secret Space Project has been confirmed as ongoing.
-- A new operation is set to drop sometime this month.
-- A new warzone is set to drop sometime after that.
-- Something like 10-11 new space missions are on the way.

And we're already told about new armor tiers, new content on the way, and a more rapid schedule of release to begin within the next month or two.

You need to do your homework and read up about what is actually going on in the game before you start making ultimatims to the company.

Just a thought.
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