Will anything actually retain customers?

Last time I checked, WoW still had about 10 times more players then SWTOR...

For most players, it's content that matters the most, content that matters the second most and content that matters the third most. Blizzard understands that. Bioware doesn't.

And, yes, some argue that PvP matters even more, but if you look at the number of players on PvP servers and the number on PvE servers, that's just not true. PvPers aare very vocal people, but in the end, it's PvE that pays the biggest part of the bill.

Can you please explain to me how SWG was not a SW MMO? Does that mean, in your definition, that this game IS a SW MMO? Again, if this game was shut down so that another game could exist would you lose something???

The games changed because the customers changed. True the old playerbase is still out there, but to make the playerbase broader (attract more subscritions (the model at the time)) the games were made easier which made the games more accessable which generated more revenue (in the case of WoW which was a fluke that has never been repeated).

The classics never die. I expect to see pong delux any day now.

Yeah, er no. I would rather not have games emulate that cesspool.

I do not know what your definition of a Star Wars MMO is, but SWG earned that title just as much as SWTOR does.

Call me a sucker, but I still remember the first time Darth Vader landed on Corellia. When I stood eye-to-eye with Luke. When I ran an hour and first saw a tusken. When i got a rebel banner for my q. When I heard R2-D2. When I got my Ewok vendor. When I got my Rancor mount.

Those are all pure Star Wars moments, sandbox or not.

From the complete and total ravaging of the canon (hand everyone a lightsaber and a Millennium falcon screw the fact that is in the rebellion era time line) To the overwhelming majority of players who would loudly proclaim “I hate SW but love SWG” To the developers (confirmed by Raph Koster) who said: who cares if it sucks it’s star wars that game wasn’t a SW MMO.

Twilek S&M ERP guilds do not a Star Wars MMO make.

welcome to SWTOR...things have really changed. No seriously you're right, nice facts btw, not even gonna start with canon in TOR, however I had no clue that SWG wasn't a SW MMO...wish I'd have known for all those years. Again, If this game was shut down would you lose something???

Yeah nothing like a bunch if G.I.R.L.s running around with slave outfits and their companions dressed the same.

3.5 million is not 10 time and no i dont count Chinese time cards, they never should be counted, its like a phone card but with no expiration date (for the sole purpose of Bloating subs number to appear better in the eyes of Activision investors). A player could only log 5 min per month and count in their total subs numbers.

Dont make me laugh at Wow got content, patch 4.3 was on the 29th of November of 2011 and the newest "content" patch aka the pre-expansion was released on the 28th, last week..

I left that game in may last year and they only added 1 raid since i left lol.

it was only shutdown because the game subs fell under 50k in early 2011, closing was announced in June (was around 25-30k subs at that moment), so its not the announcement who scared players off.
Proof: http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

Though some planets have heroics to go back to, I like to revisit planets with my 50s for a number of reasons. While mostly for achievements, datacrons & farming - helping lowbies out is the real fun for me.

The nice thing about a laid back guild is having 50s help low level types with FPs and H4s. It's great for teaching teamwork while allowing them to safely experiment with class abilities so their mechanics and techniques advance as their levels do. We don't "run lowbies through" stuff. We accompany them and pitch in when necessary. High level OTs and OHs make for great mentoring safety nets.

I'm really upset that this patch update was just minor fixes. I wanted FTP and the new race to come out.