Please be well geared...

However what you then went on to say is that for someone to try to help another, it's considered rude and it is unwanted. That is what my post was about. Personally I have never come across anyone saying that someone has to immediately change or they are being kicked out (not to say it hasn't happened obviously). I understand if they are significantly lacking and the group is not strong enough to pull them through they may be asked to leave. Also, what makes someone in a pug group any less qualified to offer advice then someone who might be in your guild?

Personally I don't care about FP's or any operations under EC, because anyone should be allowed to go since they're easy enough for anyone to get through. My main concern however is having people who are not capable of playing their toons to the level required for EC HM applying for spots. Of course people are going to want geared people for their runs, of course experience is nice to have.

What I think the OP is missing, is that some guilds want to run through an operation quickly and just get it done. Such as EV/KP Story mode simply for the comms. They may have a time restriction on how long they have - thus want someone geared and capable of keeping up with the group and spending as little time in there as possible. There of course are other groups who don't really care who comes because they don't mind instructing new players on how to kill bosses, what to cc etc.

Anyway, I am not talking about casual players who get on just to chat with people and stroll through content with no desire to progress their toons any more then absolutely necessary. I'm talking about those who want to clear content in a timely manner and want to get their toons geared properly in endgame gear.

The difference between your analogy and the players I am referring to is that the businessman has actually achieved the content and the Mexican hasn't. Both viable ways to play the game, however my argument is targeted towards businessmen.

I know what you mean.I never pvped before.I had a anti pker in D2 and I helped with a few 8 by 8s but nothing consistent.You get some yutts on the pvp side but to listen to some of the ops folks..no thanks.I still consider myself a pve player but I dont group except for the Essie or BT.Just to get a few social points.It is a game and it is suppose to be fun.It doesn't hurt to take advice but it also depends on how it is given.

There are plenty of guilds who would take new 50's or have groups made from people who are gearing up. It's how every games gets when there is a large player base which is already 'geared' so to speak.

It's like trying to apply for a job that is seeking a completely different skillset, or simply one just more advanced then what you can offer. Find somewhere that is relevant to your experience and then build on it and at a later stage go apply for that other job. Just ask in general chat or look around for guilds that would bring you through content and teach you while you gear up.

Actually it is nothing like a job.This is a game you paid for.I did anyways.If I apply for a job I expect them to pay me.

You completely missed the point lol.

You are player A.
You are trying to join groups that want player B.
Don't join groups that want player B.
Join groups that want player A.
Progress into player B.
Join groups that want player B.

Just because it is a game doesn't mean everyone wants to play with you. It also doesn't mean you should be given free gear (not saying that is what you want at all). Although it is a game, you have to start from the bottom with other people at the bottom unless you can find a guild that will teach you and bring you through content like I said in my post above. Just work on having fun with others in your same position and you will get to the point where you can do anything pretty quickly (if that is what you want out of the game).

It is rude to tell someone else how to play the game if they haven't made it clear they want advice. Just because it's the internet, or a computer game doesn't make it any different to a real life scenario. The basic fact is you are judging someone else by your own personal standards and then trying to bring them up to your standards for personal gain. Sorry but by any definition that's rude.

On a side note, we all know that "advice" varies greatly in the MMO world from "hey chum, do you mind not doing that please?" to "*** are you doing you *********** ****" and more often than not it's the latter. If you excuse the above way of thinking as acceptable because your standards are basic (such as failing on mechanics), you're justifying the same way of thinking for anyone else who has different levels of expetation of teammates.

Unfortunately apart from guilds and the often unused medium of ACTUALLY TALKING TO PEOPLE, no in game LFG tool I've seen supports "casual run" and "fast and hard run" options.

gear is very important... for instance I run an OPs group that ONLY takes people if they are in certain gear... that gear being the slave girl outfit... but we do make allowances... for instance the republic dancers uniform is also acceptable

Lol. Dern.

Implying dps carries? LOL

Sorry but you're playing the wrong game, dps do absolutely nothing in this game, oh look mom I'm doing the same rotation I've done for the past 6 months and not doing anything else LOL.

Sorry but tanks and healers are the only guys who pull their weight in this game at all.