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Matt Brobmerg interview on free-to-play

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FourTwent
08.31.2012 , 09:10 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
We should not get angry about misunderstandings in communication between developers and consumers.
then good game bioware. they tricked us with your word play. instead of talking to us like human beings and giving us respect, instead they use vague phrases that give the impression of one thing, yet mean something entirely different

you know my parents used to do this to me when I was growing up. it's nice to think Bioware is treating their customers like kids and not like adults who are paying for a product

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Valkirus
08.31.2012 , 09:14 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
Different interpretations of the same sentence. Too much outrage in the world comes from misunderstandings. Unless we have clarity that a particular objective was not upheld, I believe we should avoid being accusatory or angry. Again I mention, there are other things that Bioware has been slow to deliver, such as TFB in August or the long wait on Nim Denova. These are valid points which we can and should bring up to let the developers know that we won't sit around and accept whatever things are given to us. We can and should hold the developers accountable for content that has been long promised (SGRAs, Chat bubbles, etc.). We should not get angry about misunderstandings in communication between developers and consumers. This only serves to discourage more communication from the developers, and serves no real purpose in ensuring accountability.
There was no "misinterpretations" from the players. They know what was said. And it was not a statement which was subject to interpretation, but one which was simple..to the point and clear. If anyone is not understanding it, it is you. The players are not at fault here.
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Vandicus
08.31.2012 , 09:14 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by FourTwent View Post
then good game bioware. they tricked us with your word play. instead of talking to us like human beings and giving us respect, instead they use vague phrases that give the impression of one thing, yet mean something entirely different

you know my parents used to do this to me when I was growing up. it's nice to think Bioware is treating their customers like kids and not like adults who are paying for a product
Well that is typically what a PR response means. You were asking for a PR style response just a few posts ago.

PR=lots of encouraging fluff that seems to promise the world but never really promises anything

Thankfully their interviews seem to be less controlled by the marketing team now then before. The very fact that the interviews are not PR glossy responses show that the developers are being allowed to answer with their own personal thoughts and knowledge to some extent.
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Vandicus
08.31.2012 , 09:20 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
There was no "misinterpretations" from the players. They know what was said. And it was not a statement which was subject to interpretation, but one which was simple..to the point and clear. If anyone is not understanding it, it is you. The players are not at fault here.
So players are defined solely as the ones who use your interpretation? Lovely argument that. I'm not the only one to have the interpretation that I used. I'll even dig through a couple days of threads to find that person and quote them to you if you call me a liar on this.
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MidichIorian
08.31.2012 , 09:21 PM | #95
I think the entire BW staff is in denial.

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Valkirus
08.31.2012 , 09:27 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
So players are defined solely as the ones who use your interpretation? Lovely argument that. I'm not the only one to have the interpretation that I used. I'll even dig through a couple days of threads to find that person and quote them to you if you call me a liar on this.
"players' was used as a common reference for people who play TOR. Humans...comrades...etc etc. Get it? And no, you are not a liar. I never said you was. But you are wrong in your opinion on this, as is the others who agree with you is all I am saying.
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Styxx
08.31.2012 , 09:32 PM | #97
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Let's be honest here, nobody on this forum has the data needed to make ANY interpretations as to what/why with any degree of accuracy.

That leaves you, once again, with opinion, presented as fact. Which, puts you on equal footing with the entire forum membership, myself included. The difference in our posts being, some of us enjoy the game and don't share your need for what is IMO an ongoing series of non-constructive (and sometimes hyperbolic) criticsims of the game and the game producer.

Besides, this entire thread is largely a rehash of a developer bash fest from last week, isn't it?
I can compare to "that game we should not name" and say it still has 9 mil folks paying a sub. Or about 5 in the West only, according to mmodata.net. Those players believe, somehow, that the game is worth 15 a month.

So, no, I don`t believe anyone that says "I can`t play SWTOR because of the sub". 2.4 mils were more than willing to pay it, from which 1.7 actually did. And it`s really hilarious that BW does.

I can believe, however, the ones that say this "isn`t worth one", for ANY reason... but every single of those reasons lies in Bioware`s backyard - because, ultimately, they developed the game.
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When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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Vandicus
08.31.2012 , 09:38 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
I can compare to "that game we should not name" and say it still has 9 mil folks paying a sub. Or about 5 in the West only, according to mmodata.net. Those players believe, somehow, that the game is worth 15 a month.

So, no, I don`t believe anyone that says "I can`t play SWTOR because of the sub". 2.4 mils were more than willing to pay it, from which 1.7 actually did. And it`s really hilarious that BW does.

I can believe, however, the ones that say this "isn`t worth one", for ANY reason... but every single of those reasons lies in Bioware`s backyard - because, ultimately, they developed the game.
It doesn't necessarily make sense to us since we're probably somewhat more rational about our purchases, but there's a huge new market of gamers out there who won't pay for subscriptions but will spend huge amounts in cash shops. Farmville is one of the most popular games in the world and people spend stupid amounts of money in their cash shop. League of Legends subsists entirely on their cash shop. A game in the same genre, MMOs, called GW2 just released within the last week that intends to make lots of money off the cash shop, all the while not having a subscription.

Does their daily spending practice in video games make sense to me? No, so I can understand why you find the survey answers hard to believe. That doesn't change that these extreme impulse buyers are the new generation of gamers, the Facebook generation of gamers as it were.
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DarkSaberMaster
08.31.2012 , 09:53 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
There was no "misinterpretations" from the players. They know what was said. And it was not a statement which was subject to interpretation, but one which was simple..to the point and clear. If anyone is not understanding it, it is you. The players are not at fault here.
Pretty much. And argue it all you want. The Unsubscribers Thread (all three iterations of them) all tell the story of why the game is failing and why we went from 1.7 mil to 500-999k subs. Those aren't up for misinterpretation and can't be skewed by the TOR apologists.
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Styxx
08.31.2012 , 10:56 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
It doesn't necessarily make sense to us since we're probably somewhat more rational about our purchases, but there's a huge new market of gamers out there who won't pay for subscriptions but will spend huge amounts in cash shops. Farmville is one of the most popular games in the world and people spend stupid amounts of money in their cash shop. League of Legends subsists entirely on their cash shop. A game in the same genre, MMOs, called GW2 just released within the last week that intends to make lots of money off the cash shop, all the while not having a subscription.

Does their daily spending practice in video games make sense to me? No, so I can understand why you find the survey answers hard to believe. That doesn't change that these extreme impulse buyers are the new generation of gamers, the Facebook generation of gamers as it were.
We`re in for strange times, indeed...
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.