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Patience wearing thin


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Halfadozen
08.30.2012 , 07:42 AM | #31
I'm baffled by this. Your patience is running thin. Fine. You're not happy with the way things are. Fine. You have your opinion and you're entitled to express it.

For me, this game is great. I play it every day and have done since it was launched. I left LOTRO for this game because I've always preferred Sci-Fi over fantasy. I played LOTRO since launch. I remember how bad that game was when it was first released. I stuck with it because it was a great game regardless. I'll stick with SWTOR too because it's a great game.

I'm totally bemused by the people who insist that we, the players, are fed up with this and hate that and don't get this and feel that that bit stinks. Why is it so important that the developers post a timetable of expected expectations? There's crap loads of stuff to do anyway and, as mentioned numerous times, expected expectations quickly become fodder for the disillusioned to fart all over.

As one of the posters above said, speak for yourself - not me. I like this game. I think there is more than enough content, although I'm always on the look out for more, who isn't? Am I going to stamp my feet and create a forum thread so other people can realise I'm stamping my feet? No.

One of the other things that gets to me is this whole "I don't want to do the same quests all over again" argument. What game of this type doesn't make you do the same quests all over again? Granted, in LOTRO you started in elf-land if you're and elf, dwarf-land if you're a dwarf. hobbit-land if you have big feet. However, if you make another character of the same race, you do all the quests again, and regardless of race, you still do the same main story.

With SWTOR the quests are all the same, regardless of race. It's only the faction and the advanced class that throws up a different slant on what is effectively the same story. Why is this a bad thing? Perhaps I missed the announcement that said that every time you roll a new toon you'd get a totally different experience - that you'd never have to go to the same place twice - never have to do the same quest - you'd always have some totally unique set of quests. I really do find it baffling that the vocal minority of people who play these sort of games are surprised and annoyed enough to post complaints about the repetition.

Speaking for myself (me - not "we the players") this game is worth my hard earned pounds and pence every month.

Stop speaking for me!! Not everyone feels the same as you.

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Trenter
08.30.2012 , 08:00 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
One difference however is, WoW launched with a larger game world which also was more alive and things to do than TOR had at launch. I can remember when TBC came out, there was still some places in Vanilla I had not been to yet. Sure fishing and underwater environments, night/day cycles mean nothing to some. But for many, those are small, but important additions to a game world to give it life.
WoW also launched 99% mute. VO might mean nothing to some, but for many they give the world life and a large amount of content.
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Krelios
08.30.2012 , 08:17 AM | #33
I have to be careful not come off sounding like a Doom Prophet but I really feel like I've "beaten the game" since I have a 50 of every role and a character of every advanced class through at least Act 1. My main operations character is in Rakata/Black Hole and it's just the standard boring raid grind if I want to get him into full campaign that looks bad and isn't really necessary anyway. I LOVED this game when it first came out but I find myself now with no desire to log in. There's simply nothing to do.

I know that new content takes time to develop--even more so with full voice-overs (which were pitifully hand-waived in the last event by having us silently watch an NPC talk). I'd even be okay with new dailies while we wait for the new things that are "coming soon but we don't know when."

Short of that, I'd even be happy to have the devs just tell us what's going on. It's not like they're going to work every day and just sitting there waiting for things to happen. Give us some idea of what you're discussing--even if it doesn't happen. I just want to feel like there's a reason to be paying my subscription right now. The friday posts during beta were great and I miss them.

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kirorx
08.30.2012 , 08:22 AM | #34
I am still waiting for chat bubbles. The I will wait for more /emotes, interactive environments and...actually......I am only really waiting for that stuff.

I hear rumors about space and all this but that is just smoke at this time.

9 months of playing still no chat bubbles, that is some serious patience.

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TUXs
08.30.2012 , 08:29 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
An the reason game developers don't do this is they have learned the hard way how unreasonable gaming "communities" can be when plans (inevitably) change.
And this community has already proven you wrong. Rated WZ's were advertised as being in 1.2, they were arguably one of the big draws for resubs in that update...they were pulled the day OF release?!

Sure, a few people complained, there's always one, but the overwhelming majority of the players here were VERY supportive and VERY understanding of the delay. We realized that as much as we didn't want to hear they were pulled, there must have been a REALLY good Reason Bioware pulled them and we'd get them eventually.

Well...that whole day people defended and complimented Bioware for pulling them if they weren't right, despite the silence from Bioware. The next week, people defended Bioware, again, while they were silent. For WEEKS people defended Bioware...until many of began to realize that we hadn't heard ANYTHING from Bioware. After about 2 weeks of silence, patience and understanding began to turn to frustration and confusion. After a month of silence, that began to turn to anger and a sense of abandonment. We went TWO MONTHS without hearing jack on why they were pulled...then, when we were given an update, we were told they'd be in game before 1.3....wanna take a guess on when they were added?!

Don't pretend this community isn't patient and isn't understanding, because they have PROVEN they overwhelmingly are! But patience can only be asked for so long.
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Halfadozen
08.30.2012 , 08:29 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Krelios View Post
I have to be careful not come off sounding like a Doom Prophet but I really feel like I've "beaten the game" since I have a 50 of every role and a character of every advanced class through at least Act 1. My main operations character is in Rakata/Black Hole and it's just the standard boring raid grind if I want to get him into full campaign that looks bad and isn't really necessary anyway. I LOVED this game when it first came out but I find myself now with no desire to log in. There's simply nothing to do.

I know that new content takes time to develop--even more so with full voice-overs (which were pitifully hand-waived in the last event by having us silently watch an NPC talk). I'd even be okay with new dailies while we wait for the new things that are "coming soon but we don't know when."

Short of that, I'd even be happy to have the devs just tell us what's going on. It's not like they're going to work every day and just sitting there waiting for things to happen. Give us some idea of what you're discussing--even if it doesn't happen. I just want to feel like there's a reason to be paying my subscription right now. The friday posts during beta were great and I miss them.
I may not agree on some of your points, perhaps I'm just not at that the point you are. Tell you what though, it's refreshing to hear someone give a considered opinion, rather than the usual rant.

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FreePrometheus
08.30.2012 , 08:51 AM | #37
Sure. people were promised things. and it was bad for a company such as Bioware to make promises they do not fulfill. Even if they felt they could fulfill them. Their eyes were bigger than their stomachs. Do we not all make that mistake at times?

I'm not here to give a lesson on morality or ethics. My point is that they made a mistake.

What i will say is (And i have said this, in one way or another, in another thread.) This game is, to use an old analogy, still an infant. Bearing in mind i say GAME not company. Meaning, it still has time to grow. People will moan and groan (Including myself at times) about players unsubbing because of lack of faith, or whatever. But, think how many other MMO's went through the same process in their infancy. It happens. This game WANTS to grow. Trailers like the recent ones show this, despite lack of timeframe.

All i ask, especially of those talking of unsubbing, is give it time. What you seem to forget is that without your sub they lose the funds to progress and grow. Yes, its tedious having to wait. Yes, some demands are ingored. Doesnt mean they never see those demands or see peoples ire at having to wait so long.

Others have said the above in fewer words. But i prefer to prattle on. This game still needs time to grow. You cant make a meal without preparing it. You cannot perform a skill without learning it first. All of which take time. This is no difference. I dont even want to think how much coding they have to do. Must be a lot. I'm no programmer, but i know it takes a lot of effort and time to program even small things.

You'll get what you are seeking. In time and with patience.

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Halfadozen
08.30.2012 , 08:58 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by FreePrometheus View Post
Sure. people were promised things. and it was bad for a company such as Bioware to make promises they do not fulfill. Even if they felt they could fulfill them. Their eyes were bigger than their stomachs. Do we not all make that mistake at times?

I'm not here to give a lesson on morality or ethics. My point is that they made a mistake.

What i will say is (And i have said this, in one way or another, in another thread.) This game is, to use an old analogy, still an infant. Bearing in mind i say GAME not company. Meaning, it still has time to grow. People will moan and groan (Including myself at times) about players unsubbing because of lack of faith, or whatever. But, think how many other MMO's went through the same process in their infancy. It happens. This game WANTS to grow. Trailers like the recent ones show this, despite lack of timeframe.

All i ask, especially of those talking of unsubbing, is give it time. What you seem to forget is that without your sub they lose the funds to progress and grow. Yes, its tedious having to wait. Yes, some demands are ingored. Doesnt mean they never see those demands or see peoples ire at having to wait so long.

Others have said the above in fewer words. But i prefer to prattle on. This game still needs time to grow. You cant make a meal without preparing it. You cannot perform a skill without learning it first. All of which take time. This is no difference. I dont even want to think how much coding they have to do. Must be a lot. I'm no programmer, but i know it takes a lot of effort and time to program even small things.

You'll get what you are seeking. In time and with patience.
QFT ^

Don't like using forumish speakums - but...

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FreePrometheus
08.30.2012 , 09:05 AM | #39
Don't like using forumish speakums - but...[/QUOTE]

Me either. I have no idea what QFT means.

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TUXs
08.30.2012 , 09:12 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by FreePrometheus View Post
This game still needs time to grow. You cant make a meal without preparing it. You cannot perform a skill without learning it first. All of which take time. This is no difference. I dont even want to think how much coding they have to do. Must be a lot. I'm no programmer, but i know it takes a lot of effort and time to program even small things.

You'll get what you are seeking. In time and with patience.
So, while waiting for dinner at a restaurant, if you were served slices of the raw chicken you ordered, and expected to pay for it while the chef 'cooked' the rest, you'd be accepting of that? You prepare BEFORE you sell it. This is no different(ce). 9 months is longer than some recent releases have even lasted, it's not "too soon".

Patience can only be expected and asked for, for so long. So far, 4 of every 5 people who bought this game, have quit it...and NOTHING has been done to alter that trend.
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