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Bloodstealer
08.30.2012 , 06:08 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by NRVNQSR View Post
seriously? this again? how long did it take for WoW to go from Vanilla to BC? And each expansion past that has been slightly over two years in production. Why does everyone seem to think SWTOR should be releasing one before it's even a year old?
I wondered how long it would take before the --- hey look WoW this and WoW that... you forget this game was'nt planned, designed and released in a day its had many years to get to where it is today.. a sub-par game with as much direction as a donkey with only 2 left legs.. yep its going round in circles administering band aids to cover all the self harm it keeps doing to itself rather than implementing viable content which hooks players in and draws others back.

Year 1 is not about standing still and seeing what unfolds it should be about all guns blazing to move the game on, attracting players, hooking them in and evolving the game ready for the next installment of exitemnt... sadly SWTOR has failed to hook, its failed to immerse, its failed to deliver on time, it failed to communicate effectively and it fails to even fix the issues that are dragging in further down the sinkhole.

Bury your head in the sand if you like... sure WoW wasn't built in a day nor any other MMO but any half-decent MMO doesn't allow itself to stand still and stagnate, but SWTOR has and the players have responded in the only way that really makes a difference, with their wallets and purse... and even now they are unwilling to communicate what really is going to happen with future content, heck they have backpeddled on pretty much every "we hear ya" statement or "this is coming soon"... heck even the level cap rise is in question as is what the Makeb "expansion" will actually be including now that F2P is coming "soon"

So your damn right SWTOR should of been releasing content before its a year old otherwise.. look what happens - this is 2012 not 2007 as another poster has correctly pointed out.. the competition has moved on... what BW released wasn't even 2007 standards it was about as fun and feature packed as something released in 2002 and they knew it was lacking and unpolished but 2011 christmas sales simply had to be met or it was likely gunna have a double barrel pointed between its eyes, never to see the stars!
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08.30.2012 , 06:33 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
Do you not know what an analogy is?


WoW had many, many major patches between launch and the release of TBC. Also, it's 2012, not 2007.
Ok I posted the WoW patch timeline yesterday. Wow launched with FAR less content than TOR did. Community expectations of content updates are unrealistic.

Quote: Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Ok So I was prepared to post WoW's patch schedule in order to show how we are being unrealistic. Well here it is.

1.1 Launch November 7, 2004

1.2 December 18, 2004 - New dungeon and the Gurubashi Arena

1.3 March 7, 2005 - New dungeon and 2 world bosses

1.4 April 8, 2005 - Major PvP revamp

1.5 June 7, 2005 - Battlegrounds introduced

1.6 July 12, 2005 - Blackwing Lair 40 man raid and Darkmoon Faire

1.7 September 13, 2005 - Zul'Gurub 20 man raid and Arathi Basin BG

1.8 Octobr 10, 2005 - World Dragon bosses and Silithis zone revamp

1.9 January 3, 2006 - 40 man and 20 man raids for Ahn'Quiraj

Thats the schedule for the first 14 months of WoW. Now that being said WoW launched with 1 40 man raid, one 10 man dungeon and 5 - 6 5 man dungeons. It took 9 months to introduce a second raid.

The biggest issue is people chew through content at a much higher rate now. TOR launched with more content but is slower at the update pacing. Looks to me to be 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other.


Source

http://www.wowwiki.com/Patches/1.x
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Kthx
08.30.2012 , 06:40 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
Can someone please point me to an MMORPG that has released such a timetable for future development, outlining what components they'll be introducing into the game with a rough estimate of the times you should be able to expect those?
An the reason game developers don't do this is they have learned the hard way how unreasonable gaming "communities" can be when plans (inevitably) change.

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Valkirus
08.30.2012 , 06:52 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Ok I posted the WoW patch timeline yesterday. Wow launched with FAR less content than TOR did. Community expectations of content updates are unrealistic.
One difference however is, WoW launched with a larger game world which also was more alive and things to do than TOR had at launch. I can remember when TBC came out, there was still some places in Vanilla I had not been to yet. Sure fishing and underwater environments, night/day cycles mean nothing to some. But for many, those are small, but important additions to a game world to give it life.
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Blacktailstalker
08.30.2012 , 06:55 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
Considering the new content that has already been added since launch, and the fact that the pending content is actually being hyped and discussed, you don't get to be impatient yet.

Impatient is when you are told, three months prior to early launch, content originally intended for inclusion would be in, but as post-launch content. Then told very little else except why it was delayed three months after launch, and nothing since.

The rare "sorry guys, nothing new to tell you" we do occasionally receive comes by labyrinthine and oblique ways that do not show on the Developer Tracker. Since the changes with the Development Team since the Guild Summit, not to mention the prospective move to Free To Play, we do not know whether the promised content is still slated for inclusion.

In essence, we are back where we started in terms of what we know, except we know what we were told once upon a time. No one will tell us whether that is still true.

When the sort of content you describe is treated with such apparent disregard, then you can be impatient and frustrated. Instead, be grateful for what you have gotten and are assured of getting both in terms of content and information. You're being treated better than you know.
I agree

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scionofhorus
08.30.2012 , 06:57 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Ok I posted the WoW patch timeline yesterday. Wow launched with FAR less content than TOR did.
It depends on what you mean by "content."

Also, comparing something that came out in 2011 to something that came out in 2004 is already a losing argument.

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Community expectations of content updates are unrealistic.
I mostly expect developers to stick as closely to what they say as possible, which probably helps to explain why BW is so tight-lipped.

(I'm relatively new to the game and am enjoying myself so far.)

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kevlarto
08.30.2012 , 07:02 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Tolunart View Post
The devs have bosses, who tell them what to do. And the short answer is, the devs are under orders not to say anything specific, so no matter how many times people post this, they aren't going to get what they want. Buy stock in EA and when you own 51% of the company, you can change the policy.
Here is part of the problem, the bosses, know nothing about customer service or about gaming, I am sure they have at the least a bachelor's degeee in some kind of business, does not mean they know how to handle the payer base, they can crunch numbers. I would like to see a something about what they are working on, I don't want details or even a time line, just something to boost the morale in this game, taking care of your customers needs should be the number one thing in any service based company. I was glad to know that the space project is still being worked on have no idea when it will hit the game might be 3 months might be a year, but at least I know it is coming sometime.
One thing they are really quiet about is the open world pvp one feature this game needs badly. Yes you are right they most likely will never do this, thats where they fail us the customer, not just with this but in many ways.
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Imhotep
08.30.2012 , 07:07 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
It depends on what you mean by "content."

Also, comparing something that came out in 2011 to something that came out in 2004 is already a losing argument.


I mostly expect developers to stick as closely to what they say as possible, which probably helps to explain why BW is so tight-lipped.

(I'm relatively new to the game and am enjoying myself so far.)
My thoughts are that BW should have never committed to new content every 6 weeks. One guy makes one statement and when it doesnt happen the community gets upset. Understandably so but the expectation of new content every month is unrealistic IN MY OPINION. Im not saying other opinions are wrong, I just dont share them.
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Laris_Rai
08.30.2012 , 07:12 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by scionofhorus View Post
Do you not know what an analogy is?


WoW had many, many major patches between launch and the release of TBC. Also, it's 2012, not 2007.
I'm pretty sure five years hasn't changed that adding stuff to an MMO is a complicated deal that takes a good bit of time.
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Blacktailstalker
08.30.2012 , 07:24 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Malevous View Post
I've played since beta, and the lack of communication from whatever is left of the development team is making me lose my last shred of faith left that Bioware will turn this game around. End game players are getting bored (even those like me who have tried to squeeze every last drop of content out), alt grinding is not rewarding after two or three identical experiences. Throwing a video out of what all is coming is not good enough. The developers give such general info in their unspecific responses that its laughable. Why in the world can they not patch actual content into the game? Why in the world are we not given any timetables apart from ONE new operation coming next month and maybe ONE new tier of gear. Where are the updates? What is making this game worth staying in? I have been SO patient and I am sorry..but I am thinking more and more that whatever "team" of developers that is actually working on the game nowadays is in way over their heads, has no idea when stuff is coming out, and are just trying to market shiny videos to keep people paying. Level cap..new planet/..blah blah blah say all you want about that but for all i know that could be 9 months away, who has said otherwise? Start talking to us developers. I'll stay, just please start actually communicating and not hiding behind the guise of "i can't be specific".
Haven't they postponed WoW expansion pack, i don't see that game doing regular updates either. Infact I think Bioware is doing a better job at communicating than Blizzard. And sinced you played since BETA, we can safely say you enjoy this game alot.