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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option

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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
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Andryah
08.26.2012 , 02:03 PM | #1161
Quote: Originally Posted by NasherUK View Post
I think people are forgetting that ALL of the competition (appart from wow, which is also in decline) are now "free-to-play". People are not going to pay a sub when they can play something similar for "free".
The closed minded toward a move to Freemium models for MMOs are simply ignoring the market data.

One simple summarized example of market data (there are many if you actually care to seek and understand):

http://www.rpgreporter.com/2012/07/1...nues-increase/

If WoW launched today, in this marketplace, it is extremely likely they would not only see the attrition curves that SWTOR and Rift (yes folks both games have almost identical subscription attrition curves since launch) but that Blizzard would also pursue a Freemium model early in the life of the game, if not at launch. The only thing that insulates WoW from the market forces right now is the "invested player base". By invested player base I mean the large number of players with years of time and progress invested into the game who simply won't abandon it. They do sub/unsub with each expansion cycle though.

Further, WoW could still succumb to pressure to convert to Freemium. Setting aside their Asian accounts (which number ~ 6-7M and never were subscriptions, they are token based pay-2-access) the US/EU subscriber based has suffered 2M losses over the last 12 months (which is ~ 40% of their paid subscription base). Once their panda expansion cycles the subscriber base, then the real pressure for them begins.
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Barbarola
08.27.2012 , 05:51 AM | #1162
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
I 100% agree with you, why pay for something when you can play something just as good for free? Wow wont be free anytime soon because there is nothing out there that is on the same level as wow that is f2p. Rift is an excellent example of what swtor should have done, instead of going f2p they just fixed the game and kept adding content, now their numbers are rising and at the rate trion pushes out new content it is wows only established competitor.

Swtor decided to go the way all the other failed f2p gmes have, instead of fixing the game and putting out new content they are just going to give the game away, they say theres new content coming "someday" but if they were serious about improving this game they would have fixed it first and then announced f2p to get people to come try it. The people that come back to try f2p will be extremely disapointed to see that its the same game they quit months ago.
you guys really need to read the information closer, you judge too soon without even looking at all the facts or information. if you don't like the idea of F2P then please for the love the Force just leave the game. Andryah sees the major point in all this so i agree with her on this but if all that some of you are going to do is complain about this then don't bother playing anymore

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Sir_Raston
08.27.2012 , 12:40 PM | #1163
Quote: Originally Posted by Barbarola View Post
you guys really need to read the information closer, you judge too soon without even looking at all the facts or information. if you don't like the idea of F2P then please for the love the Force just leave the game. Andryah sees the major point in all this so i agree with her on this but if all that some of you are going to do is complain about this then don't bother playing anymore

So, simply put, since we don't believe the same as you we aren't entitled to an opinion. Well, tough for you, I got one and I say this move is about as bright as a dead light bulb.

This is NOT a win for this game, this is a tuck tail and run maneuver because they released a buggy game before it was ready and can't seem to fix it.

They spent all this money on voice overs instead of creating actual content when the majority of us, once we hear it the first time, space bar though the damn things to not have to listen to them again. they add absolutely nothing to the game but processing overhead. I do not feel more immersed because I hear the same voices and soundbites over and over again. I do not feel more immersed because I have three choices that completely take RP out of my hands and predetermine my responses, often differently than the choice bubbles suggest.

F2P doesn't fix any of this, it will just bring in a bunch of people who have no investment in the game, increase the issues with the network errors this game already experiences during the supposedly heavy population cycles and will introduce us to a cash shop in our faces (whether we subscribe or not).

I've watched this happen to two games already, I already know how it will end. I only hope I can get another 6-9 months of enjoyment out of the game before they completely destroy it.

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Grabsi
08.27.2012 , 01:11 PM | #1164
Quote: Originally Posted by Sir_Raston View Post
So, simply put, since we don't believe the same as you we aren't entitled to an opinion. Well, tough for you, I got one and I say this move is about as bright as a dead light bulb.

This is NOT a win for this game, this is a tuck tail and run maneuver because they released a buggy game before it was ready and can't seem to fix it.

They spent all this money on voice overs instead of creating actual content when the majority of us, once we hear it the first time, space bar though the damn things to not have to listen to them again. they add absolutely nothing to the game but processing overhead. I do not feel more immersed because I hear the same voices and soundbites over and over again. I do not feel more immersed because I have three choices that completely take RP out of my hands and predetermine my responses, often differently than the choice bubbles suggest.

F2P doesn't fix any of this, it will just bring in a bunch of people who have no investment in the game, increase the issues with the network errors this game already experiences during the supposedly heavy population cycles and will introduce us to a cash shop in our faces (whether we subscribe or not).

I've watched this happen to two games already, I already know how it will end. I only hope I can get another 6-9 months of enjoyment out of the game before they completely destroy it.
100% agree on this , for me atleast, is the proof that SWTOR is the bigest flop in gaming history to this day, all thanks to the people who call themselves "game designers" and their "great" game breaking decisions (read VO)

Never again im buying another game from Lucasarts, Bioware and EA , atleast if i dont see some of the people who are rensponcible for this debacle.

Really sad day for gaming industry

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Moaky
08.27.2012 , 01:39 PM | #1165
Quote: Originally Posted by Joushigun View Post
I am not surprised by this- and not because of the whole TOR is "not doing well" idea. I've seen other games go with this hybrid model and actually not only do better financially, but be able to do more about improving the game.

My only concern is really is when are you guys going to add in same-gender romance options. That is a big reason for why I've played the game. I really don't care for the new companion as the HK's were never my favorites in KOTOR.
You should be struck down where you stand meatbag....err I mean "How can you not enjoy HK"?


BW has included alternate lifestyle content in a number of their more recent games, and I am sure your wait will be answered. Seeing as it wasnt originally going to be in there, you are probably looking at extensive rewriting for a small percentage of folks. With the amount of problems the game has had, I would imagine it was back burnered, but as things are now getting under control, when they go to put it in, I would bet it gets an ASAP tag.


Hopefully those of you from the alternative community are understanding. Without stabilizing the subs, none of us would of had a game to play.

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RunningFox
08.27.2012 , 04:41 PM | #1166
Free to play? I am out of here....

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SidneyFault
08.27.2012 , 08:01 PM | #1167
If you haven't read through this thread you would see that most of the posts on this 117 page long thread as been agreeing that F2P is a horrible Idea, I has ruined most of the games that have changed over to that model. As there is very little new content and just new stuff in the "store" to buy.

This is going to kill this game. I am trying to finish up each class story so I can be done with it
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Vandicus
08.27.2012 , 08:07 PM | #1168
Quote: Originally Posted by SidneyFault View Post
If you haven't read through this thread you would see that most of the posts on this 117 page long thread as been agreeing that F2P is a horrible Idea, I has ruined most of the games that have changed over to that model. As there is very little new content and just new stuff in the "store" to buy.

This is going to kill this game. I am trying to finish up each class story so I can be done with it
The very little content part depends on the gaming company. DDO has done pretty well with content since it went F2P.

FYI we fought this battle in 2010 and convinced EA that there would be enough subs to justify making the game subscription based. Apparently we were wrong. It is most likely that F2P will vastly increase profits on this game. I personally dislike f2p because it can have negative impacts on the player community, but I don't think asking the company to go against their own best interests will change anything. We should at this point work on convincing Bioware/EA to do f2p right, and not go with a p2win model.
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TC-Raquel
08.27.2012 , 10:11 PM | #1169
The prospect is interesting, and perhaps economics and the interests of all stakeholders will compell this. My only concern is that the cartel coins buy you something actually useful or enjoyable. I have a security ID token, and the inventory in the "exclusive" store it enables would make The Dollar Store look like Macy's. I'd like to see the cartel coins allow revised character customization (like re-doing hair and facial features), or more varied clothing, or stat bonuses (maybe too good to be true). Having another meretricious pet? I need that like I need a hole in the head! But a new store's always good news.
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Barbarola
08.28.2012 , 08:05 AM | #1170
i'm looking at the population growth in this, when it goes F2P it will skyrocket which is part of what we need. in terms of shops we could use more variety, like one specific to pets.