Damage Meters Please

Silly carebear raiders, damage meters are for kids!

It's equally selfish of the under-preforming player to expect to be carried, or taught by people just wanting to complete an objective. It's really not very hard to get an elementary grasp on your class mechanics.,,I shouldn't be expected to stop and explain it to you....even if often times I will as a curtsey...I really resent when it becomes an expectation.

To top it off, how many times have you tried to give advice to a player...only to have it thrown back at you? I know it's happened to me. Now you're an elitist or jerk for trying to educate a "noob," and telling them how to play their class, with in their game, that was paid for with their own money....or you're an elitest or jerk for just saying "to hell with it" and vote-kicking.

People who don't want personal accountability in a group environment will ALWAYS find a way to deflect it within their own mind. The push-back against damage meters is just one example of this.

There is an implied level of expectation of people when you group with them in an MMO. What level of expectation that is though is highly subjective and in my opinion often very unfair.

There needs to be compromise from both sides.

Those who want to blast through content with a high level of efficiency need to find like minded individuals to do that with, and not expect every person in the game to have the same goal and be at the same level. (And to not refer to them as "bads" that really gets my goat)

Those who take a more casual approach, need to at least try and work towards the objective and not spin around in a circle shouting "I'm a unicorn!"

Both groups need to be polite and respectful.

On the whole, the problem tends to be with people in the first group and not the second.

I don't think including a damage meter helps either of the problems, in fact it makes it worse.

Personal in game one

Raid leader one

No need for any other one.

How about in game meters but with no possibility of reporting result on chat box. That way no spamming for kiki.

How about making sharing your combat log with other optional, kinda like it is right now, but the sharing and merging process is handle by game client (or server) rather than some website or 3rd party software.

I've been thinking about this as we have been discussing in our guild... and... I think I like the way things are now. We can choose the parser or meter of our choice. The best ones allow for group logs and they break things down by dps, threat, and heals. Incorporating it in the game would only serve as yet another source of QQ especially as it relates to group finder.

Of course you can.

GW2 doesn't have any damage meters.

There I just proved ur entire post invalid.

to be fair, gw2 does not have raiding endgame as well. Most outdoor event seems to come closer to zerg rush than a perfectly executed choregraphy.

It's still a MMO. He said most MMO's and DC didn't have them either. The wow addicted damage meters puppy's want theirs here and it's not right.