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ManiacalShen
08.20.2012 , 11:27 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
Normally play as a healer. So I have done KP hard mode many times, with many different groups. If DPS is low and you are hitting enrage, check the groups augments. I'm betting at least some DPS is not fully augmented. Been on many 1 hour or less HM KP runs, but never been on one where the DPS was not fully augmented since 1.3. Even if they can't make/afford the purple augments, the blues will make a world of difference. However, since they removed the stacking debuffs, augments are a must for smooth run on anything above HM EV.

Personally I highly recommend augments for healers and tanks too, but for DPS they make a huge difference.
I'm mostly augmented now, but argh, that annoys the crap out of me. I kind of hate the augment system. It used to be an extra thing that you didn't really NEED to worry about. Now it's a mini-tier and an essential money sink - make or buy the kits and augments, plus another kit for every new piece of gear, plus pay to remove the augment from the old slot... Rinse and repeat with PVE and PVP gear or die.

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HauksbokT
08.20.2012 , 12:07 PM | #12
Gonna be 100 percent honest here.

You're overgeared, and hitting rage timers and not dying to mechanics, I'd be having a hard long look at your dps ( derp per second).

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ManiacalShen
08.20.2012 , 12:42 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by HauksbokT View Post
Gonna be 100 percent honest here.

You're overgeared, and hitting rage timers and not dying to mechanics, I'd be having a hard long look at your dps ( derp per second).

I'm going to assume you're not being a confrontational ******** and insinuating that I specifically am the problem. Then I'll reiterate that we're about to pull out MoxParser to see who's lagging behind, because yes, someone obviously has some derp going. I can completely agree with that. I call out weird gearing if I see it (our new tank is a good example - crit and surge implants, really?), and our healers WILL yell at you if you injure yourself stupidly, but I can't nanny people's rotations during raids. By process of elimination, rotation or talent tree point allocation has to be where the problem is.

It's just, it also seemed rougher than normal, on top of new-member weirdness. I can generally balance out a sub-par DPS toon with my mercenary, but it was not cutting it yesterday.

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mikebevo
08.20.2012 , 01:26 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacalShen View Post
I' Then I'll reiterate that we're about to pull out MoxParser to see who's lagging behind, because yes, someone obviously has some derp going.
You make it sound like using MoxParser is some type of punishment. Personally I would use it as what it is, a tool. I know my DPS suffers behind Watchmen and Knights in the DPS department on longer fights, but I have use MoxParser and augments to bridge that gap. I have practiced my rotation over and over so that I pull my weight in Ops. Still not a world beater, but I usually produce the 2 or 3 most DPS for the group and with my understand (from my main being a healer) of what order to kill, not taking unnecessary damage, CCs and stealth I'm pretty sure I am considered a access in the Ops (that or they just don't want to tick me off because my main is a decent healer). I've been told many times I needed to up my DPS or my rotation was wrong, but I was told in a non-belittling way and better yet I was told how to improve it. MoxParser is a tool, your group should expect it to be used as such to improve the group as well as the individuals. Knowing who needs the most help only helps the group get that person up to speed faster.

Now if that person is just lazy and not willing to work on the problem, then MoxParser will show you who you need to replaced to improve the group too.

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ArchangelLBC
08.20.2012 , 02:31 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacalShen View Post
I'm going to assume you're not being a confrontational ******** and insinuating that I specifically am the problem. Then I'll reiterate that we're about to pull out MoxParser to see who's lagging behind, because yes, someone obviously has some derp going. I can completely agree with that. I call out weird gearing if I see it (our new tank is a good example - crit and surge implants, really?), and our healers WILL yell at you if you injure yourself stupidly, but I can't nanny people's rotations during raids. By process of elimination, rotation or talent tree point allocation has to be where the problem is.

It's just, it also seemed rougher than normal, on top of new-member weirdness. I can generally balance out a sub-par DPS toon with my mercenary, but it was not cutting it yesterday.
I thought he was talking to the OP actually =X
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ManiacalShen
08.20.2012 , 02:44 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
You make it sound like using MoxParser is some type of punishment. Personally I would use it as what it is, a tool. I know my DPS suffers behind Watchmen and Knights in the DPS department on longer fights, but I have use MoxParser and augments to bridge that gap. I have practiced my rotation over and over so that I pull my weight in Ops. Still not a world beater, but I usually produce the 2 or 3 most DPS for the group and with my understand (from my main being a healer) of what order to kill, not taking unnecessary damage, CCs and stealth I'm pretty sure I am considered a access in the Ops (that or they just don't want to tick me off because my main is a decent healer). I've been told many times I needed to up my DPS or my rotation was wrong, but I was told in a non-belittling way and better yet I was told how to improve it. MoxParser is a tool, your group should expect it to be used as such to improve the group as well as the individuals. Knowing who needs the most help only helps the group get that person up to speed faster.

Now if that person is just lazy and not willing to work on the problem, then MoxParser will show you who you need to replaced to improve the group too.

I had absolutely no intention of being mean to anyone, but that is a point worth bringing up, thank you. The idea is to figure out what is going wrong and why, so that the game can be more fun for everyone. If I was falling on my face playing, it wouldn't just be bad for my group - it would be bad for me when I inevitably pulled down whatEVER group I joined, kind of making the entire game suck for me in the process.

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mikebevo
08.20.2012 , 03:22 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacalShen View Post
I had absolutely no intention of being mean to anyone,.
Very sorry if I seemed to imply you would, that was not my intention because I have no clue about you. I assumed you wouldn’t because you sounded like you just wanted for your group to get better.

You just made it sound to me like Mox was a punishment and I wanted to say that even a very average dps player (like me) should consider Mox as a tool to improve our ability and to make the game more enjoyable for our entire group.

I will say that you need to make it clear to anyone that is new to MMOs (again people like me) that your DPS number is not the only important thing. They still have to watch breaking CCs, taking unnecessary damage, interrupts, defensive cooldowns… The DPS number is important, but not at the cost of smart game play. I would rather be teamed up with the most average dps smart player than the greatest DPS player that only cared about that number. The most average living DPS player does more damage than the greatest dead DPS player.

Also if you use Mox, tell the group not to get the big head on G4-B3 Heavy Fabricator, the numbers there are greatly inflated there due to debuffs put on the boss by the fire. I wish I could hit 2100-1900 in every fight like I do there. BioWare that fire needs to be a legacy perk for 1 million credits and level 50 legacy.

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HauksbokT
08.20.2012 , 03:42 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacalShen View Post
I'm going to assume you're not being a confrontational ******** and insinuating that I specifically am the problem. Then I'll reiterate that we're about to pull out MoxParser to see who's lagging behind, because yes, someone obviously has some derp going. I can completely agree with that. I call out weird gearing if I see it (our new tank is a good example - crit and surge implants, really?), and our healers WILL yell at you if you injure yourself stupidly, but I can't nanny people's rotations during raids. By process of elimination, rotation or talent tree point allocation has to be where the problem is.

It's just, it also seemed rougher than normal, on top of new-member weirdness. I can generally balance out a sub-par DPS toon with my mercenary, but it was not cutting it yesterday.
Edit: LOL I was talking to the OP

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iamrhyolite
08.22.2012 , 10:06 PM | #19
My guild is a casual guild and we don't use parsers for KP and EV since for tier 1 operations the objective is to have fun and not worry about numbers. However MOX is required for EC and onwards because the enrage timer is unforgiving and it is difficult to carry anyone who is not pulling their weight.

The raid leaders often emphasize that these tools are to help gamers to improve. Our guild does not kick people out of raid rosters immediately when raid leaders find their dps lacking. These dpsers will be given a few weeks to improve their builds, gear and rotation. The idea is to help everyone improve, and that itself should not be something that makes people unhappy. The thing is, no one would know what's going on without a parser, and wiping weeks after weeks not knowing why is seriously not fun.