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Solo Ranked WZ's (Terrible idea)

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Solo Ranked WZ's (Terrible idea)

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richardya
08.22.2012 , 02:44 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Pistols View Post
Be honest, the ONLY reason why peeps want this, is due to gear farming. Period.
No, I want to have something to strive for. I finished WH x 2 and stopped playing my main because I enjoy incentives in MMO's. A score is a great way to do this. Yes, you can whine if you play a premade but overall if you solo queue it should average out.

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Darth_Philar
08.22.2012 , 02:44 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Pistols View Post
And Ranked WZ's shouldn't be open to those without full WH gear and a group.

How's that?
Problem is that in the game right now, you can queue up for randoms with your 4 man, fully augmented WH gear death squad and pretty much eliminate any chance of enjoyment for the 8 players on the other side. Essentially, your dedicated PvP players can intentionally queue up against your casual PvP players and will destroy them using primarily a statistical gear advantage (since skill isn't even necessary when you have that much of an advantage).

As much as I hate the CoD franchise, they actually managed to put out a decent progression system with their leveling. While you get better things as you level up, a skilled level 1 will wipe the map with an unskilled level 80 because the stuff you get is primarily used to customize your play style and appearance, not to give you a statistical advantage over others.

PvP is supposed to be about players versus players. Any system that offers statistical advantages to players is no longer PvP, it is instead PvE with PvP elements included.

The people who want equalized gear are the PvP fans. The people who want gear progression are the hybrid (I call it Character versus Character or CvC) PvE fans. The people who want to fight NPCs in instances are true PvE fans. All three are perfectly acceptible game types. Just don't go insulting the other two by saying your preference is superior.
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Altheran
08.22.2012 , 02:47 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Pistols View Post
Be honest, the ONLY reason why peeps want this, is due to gear farming. Period.
Like many premade group did when Ranked WZ released.

If Ranked WZ weren't meant to grind WH, why it is the way to have the comms that allow to buy it ? If the Ranked WZ where only for full WH geared guys, why even give them Ranked Comms that have no purpose for them since consummable are bought with regular comms ?

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KhalifaHaze
08.22.2012 , 02:50 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Altheran View Post
Like many premade group did when Ranked WZ released.

If Ranked WZ weren't meant to grind WH, why it is the way to have the comms that allow to buy it ? If the Ranked WZ where only for full WH geared guys, why even give them Ranked Comms that have no purpose for them since consummable are bought with regular comms ?
The thing is they added RWZ comms into the game long before RWZ came out so that people could get full WH gear and face other teams making gear not an issue. But then with all the rerollers and new chars people make the system didn't work so well and thus the QQ.
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Pistols
08.22.2012 , 02:51 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by richardya View Post
No, I want to have something to strive for. I finished WH x 2 and stopped playing my main because I enjoy incentives in MMO's. A score is a great way to do this. Yes, you can whine if you play a premade but overall if you solo queue it should average out.
I think the reason Ranked WZ's came about in the first place, was to allow 8 man teams to compete against one another for the highest tier of PvP (regardless of gear you're wearing). By allowing solo queues to happen, it will effectively destroy the basic principle this was based on. I have no desire to wreck 8 solo player teams, any more than they wish to lose repeatedly. It's not fun for either side. Players have the capability to form 8 man groups, heck I even have a PUG sheet I created for our own server for peeps to sign on to, but at least it's thought out to somewhat have a chance. Solo queue'ing and watering down the highest tier of PvP is just a bad idea. IMO.

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Pistols
08.22.2012 , 02:55 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
Problem is that in the game right now, you can queue up for randoms with your 4 man, fully augmented WH gear death squad and pretty much eliminate any chance of enjoyment for the 8 players on the other side. Essentially, your dedicated PvP players can intentionally queue up against your casual PvP players and will destroy them using primarily a statistical gear advantage (since skill isn't even necessary when you have that much of an advantage).

As much as I hate the CoD franchise, they actually managed to put out a decent progression system with their leveling. While you get better things as you level up, a skilled level 1 will wipe the map with an unskilled level 80 because the stuff you get is primarily used to customize your play style and appearance, not to give you a statistical advantage over others.

PvP is supposed to be about players versus players. Any system that offers statistical advantages to players is no longer PvP, it is instead PvE with PvP elements included.

The people who want equalized gear are the PvP fans. The people who want gear progression are the hybrid (I call it Character versus Character or CvC) PvE fans. The people who want to fight NPCs in instances are true PvE fans. All three are perfectly acceptible game types. Just don't go insulting the other two by saying your preference is superior.
I get the gear issue, but honestly a better idea for that is to petition the Dev team to find a new solution to this. If gear is the main culprit (which has been proven why the majority want solo ranked via posts), then it stands to reason the system perhaps needs to be looked into. I'm sorry the grind is long, but watering down the highest tier of PvP isn' the answer, for either side.

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KhalifaHaze
08.22.2012 , 02:56 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Pistols View Post
I get the gear issue, but honestly a better idea for that is to petition the Dev team to find a new solution to this. If gear is the main culprit (which has been proven why the majority want solo ranked via posts), then it stands to reason the system perhaps needs to be looked into. I'm sorry the grind is long, but watering down the highest tier of PvP isn' the answer, for either side.
I wanna see people get to valor 100 then tell me the WH grind is long...rofl
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Altheran
08.22.2012 , 02:56 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by KhalifaHaze View Post
The thing is they added RWZ comms into the game long before RWZ came out so that people could get full WH gear and face other teams making gear not an issue.
No, they released comms before RWZ only because RWZ release had been delayed while 1.3 patch and WH gear were still sheduled. They were supposed to be released at the same time, and they added the 3 per 1 rate change at the last time because if they didn't do so, it would have been new gear, but no way to acquire it (and they had no release date for RWZ).

If BioWare's shedule didn't change at the last time, RWZ would have been the only way to acquire WH.

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Pistols
08.22.2012 , 02:59 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by KhalifaHaze View Post
I wanna see people get to valor 100 then tell me the WH grind is long...rofl
No doubt man, and I'm only at 93, those last 7 levels will be long lol.

Although, I play 3 different toons a lot, and only have a few hours per day to play.

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KhalifaHaze
08.22.2012 , 02:59 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Altheran View Post
No, they released comms before RWZ only because RWZ release had been delayed while 1.3 patch and WH gear were still sheduled. They were supposed to be released at the same time, and they added the 3 per 1 rate change at the last time because if they didn't do so, they would have been new gear, but no way to acquire it (and they had no release date for RWZ).

If BioWare 's shedule didn't change at the last time, RWZ would have been the only way to acquire WH.
meh...either way I had time to farm out a full wh set before RWZ came into the game. Even casuals would have been able to get a few pieces.
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