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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 02:56 PM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Makeb isn't current content though. Makeb wasn't sold with the box, nor promised with it, so you have no right to demand access to it as "F2P', which is what I feel you're arguing for.

They MAY be able to sell it to some subscribers, I hope they don't and I feel it would be a terrible mistake if they did...this game is losing players (4 of 5 or more) because of how little there is to do, not a sub fee.
So freebie players should get to have world pvp on Ilum, right? Wasn't that part of the core game?

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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 02:59 PM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
There is plenty of sound research (I've linked it in the past in the forums) now that demonstrates the average free-player will drop as much, if not more, cash per month on a game compared to if they subscribe. The game companies (from mobile gaming, through PC gaming) have tapped into a psychology that is common in the consumer base. So no, they don't need to design their dual access model to draw non-subs in as subs. They just need to support both audiences and let the audience sort out personal preference.

It's a different style of player/consumer, and it is growing (primarily via learned behavior in the mobile smartphone market) faster then classic subscriptions player base. So a dual access model makes good busines sense. It's low hanging fruit for companies right now.
If it's so clever why didn't Bioware design and sell the game as such from the start?

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Ricktur
08.22.2012 , 03:02 PM | #223
i hear these complaints and i understand them. . .

however:

when you go in game and try and say less than half of the **** going on in this thread, you practically get run off.

so you guys wanna complain?

great.

just know people actually playing the game think you are all very irrelevant.
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TUXs
08.22.2012 , 03:07 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by CorellianWannabe View Post
So freebie players should get to have world pvp on Ilum, right? Wasn't that part of the core game?
I'd assume they'll be able to, but again, you're comparing apples to oranges - you're asking for something that was included with both your purchase of the game AND a monthly sub fee. Assuming those criteria are still met, I have no reason to doubt you'll be pleased. Free players, who don't pay their sub fees, will have the restrictions on 'core game' stuff I assume.

You seem to forget that right now, before F2P, you must pay a sub fee to access ANYTHING. You can't even log in without paying a sub fee. Purchase of the box doesn't entitle you to anything in game without a sub fee. I will assume that EVERYTHING we have access to now, will also be available to subscribers during F2P. Its the stuff they add AFTER F2P I worry about.
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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 03:15 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I'd assume they'll be able to, but again, you're comparing apples to oranges - you're asking for something that was included with both your purchase of the game AND a monthly sub fee. Assuming those criteria are still met, I have no reason to doubt you'll be pleased. Free players, who don't pay their sub fees, will have the restrictions on 'core game' stuff I assume.

You seem to forget that right now, before F2P, you must pay a sub fee to access ANYTHING. You can't even log in without paying a sub fee. Purchase of the box doesn't entitle you to anything in game without a sub fee. I will assume that EVERYTHING we have access to now, will also be available to subscribers during F2P. Its the stuff they add AFTER F2P I worry about.
I know- free players will get to play one character (a human only), not get to craft (or gather), no inventory expansion, no bank access, ceiling on credit accumulation, walk everywhere, and uninstall when they've finished the stories. At least that's my plan-why pay to unlock more characters? Legacy perks that probably won't be allowed for free players either? No crafting mules, no bankrolling alts-no point to alts period. Just delete and make a new one (or make a new free account if you're attached to that crippled level 50 for some reason).

Bioware will definitely turn this into the single-player game everyone has always said it was.

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DarthOvertone
08.22.2012 , 03:25 PM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
If you can buy raid gear it's still P2W even if it's just used for PvE.
But you can't and won't be able to buy Raid gear in the SWTOR Store. In fact, Gabe Amantalego(sp?) and Michael Bromberg have stated that endgame Raid gear or PvP gear will not be in the store.

Well Blomberg said it wouldn't be in the store. Gabe said it wouldn't be in the store if he had any say in the matter (he may or may not have much say in the matter).
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Wodaz
08.22.2012 , 03:30 PM | #227
If I had to take a stab at how Makeb would be handled, I would refer to SOE's F2P model, they sell all their DLC packs, you can pay with "Station Cash" aka "Cartel Coins" or real life money.

So if EAware goes the SOE route, subs should get enough "Cartel Coins" to pay for these bigger updates or expansions, so what does it really matter? You still don't have to pay for them!?!?!!

I know I get more then enough "Station Cash" with SOE to pay for my DLC's without a problem of having to spend RL money.

The benefits of spending $15/month are worth it to the invested gamer.

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CorellianWannabe
08.22.2012 , 03:42 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Wodaz View Post
If I had to take a stab at how Makeb would be handled, I would refer to SOE's F2P model, they sell all their DLC packs, you can pay with "Station Cash" aka "Cartel Coins" or real life money.

So if EAware goes the SOE route, subs should get enough "Cartel Coins" to pay for these bigger updates or expansions, so what does it really matter? You still don't have to pay for them!?!?!!

I know I get more then enough "Station Cash" with SOE to pay for my DLC's without a problem of having to spend RL money.

The benefits of spending $15/month are worth it to the invested gamer.

****Disclaimer****
"I, Wodaz, in no way work for any of above mentioned companies, this is just my 2 cents of what I have seen and dealt with in various MMO's"
So let the price be reduced and skip gviing the cash shop currency. I'm sure some subs would prefer to pay 10/month instead and buy shop items as desired with the money saved-unless of course the coins aren't REALLY worth $5.

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Wodaz
08.22.2012 , 03:47 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by CorellianWannabe View Post
So let the price be reduced and skip gviing the cash shop currency. I'm sure some subs would prefer to pay 10/month instead and buy shop items as desired with the money saved-unless of course the coins aren't REALLY worth $5.
Agreed, they should offer multiple packages...ie. "Legendary", "Premium" or "Free"

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CritasStorm
08.22.2012 , 05:32 PM | #230
HBK is going to be 1 year sub and you get him free or can buy him for like 39.99$ with cartel coins.