Makeb: BW, let me be abundantly clear.

Naw, just the little whiny forum trolls who think their nerd rage is going to scare the developers into submission. BW has stated over and over again that they solicit feedback through a number of channels and that the forums are just part of that... which makes me so so so

I can't begin to tell you how lame it was to see so many good games get ruined (SWG especially) by the hordes of super l337 d0Oods (or whatever) who needed to cry and troll over every little thing. We still see them them here in force but at least BW has the sense to temper their reactions to it.

If you're not willing to pay a premium for premium content then you're not a customer. If you don't trust that BW is going to use good judgement when pricing that content then you shouldn't even consider being their customer.

It's a value proposition. You pay for a subscription, copy of the game, cartel coins, whatever... and you get access to entertainment. You are either happy with that value proposition or you are not. It's like the time my wife asked me for $$$ to play slots in Vegas. I handed her a $20 bill and then watched her hit a little button like four times and then she asked me for another $20. Yeah. Guess how that went? We went to the buffet and found a much better value

The right and left hands don't seem to know what each other is doing. There have been comments implying it will be free, and there have been comments implying that it won't be free. Probably, this is something no real concrete information will be available for until shortly before it's released.

I am guessing that it is going to cost something seeing as how in the past they always go with a decision that manages to piss off some portion of the playerbase. If Subscribers got it for free nobody would be pissed off.

Actually, "Etitlements" is a legal term referring to access to their IP. AND, it very specifically says "includes, but is not limited to" Content is different then "Entitlement" (access to it), from a legal standpoint.

Now, what that clause means is that you are entitled to access the content you have paid license to access, which inlcudes recurring subscription fees as required or applicable. Come Freemium, free players will have different entitlements then subscribers.... to give you a specific working example of how that clause works. If they pay a subscription fee, the change their Entitlement.

Nowhere do they say you have "Etitlement" to incremental content.

Agreed. The problem is that you think the ToS covers license for content that they decide to make "point of sale" access, when you have not paid for said content license. It does not. You must pay for that "Entitlement" if they choose to require you to do so.

Not uncommon in companies at all.

This exemplifies the importance of taking a "wait to see" rather then a "rush to judgement".

Look Buddy! You will pay for it and like it! You got that?!

:: punches you in the stomach and steals your lunch money ::

Your wife could have been cooking you a delicious honey roast chicken with thyme seasoned sauteed potatoes. You come home and proclaim: "Are you kidding me? I have come home from work: do I work on the weekends? Is this Sunday? Is this Sunday? No. Roasts are for Sunday, you idiot. I demand you cook me steak and eggs like all the other guys' wives are cooking them on a week night, harlot!"

So, your wife runs to the shop to get some steak and eggs. Of course, all the eggs were bought up in the morning so she has to buy some powdered egg substitute. She then goes to the meat counter for a prize cut of beef but all the butcher has left are off cuts which he is in the middle of mincing.
Your wife thinks: "Well, if I add gelatin to these powdered eggs I can get them to look something like the real thing; and if I just press this minced meet together and roll it out a little I can get it looking sirloin-esque and maybe, just maybe my husband will appreciate the efforts I've gone through to please his last minute demands."

She plates up and places the meal in front of you. You are disgusted. You leave her. No one had the opportunity to taste that delicious roast.

I'm a fine art photographer. Very few people buy my work because my aesthetic is only appealing to those of similar tastes. Force forbid I listen to prospective buyers and try to incorporate their uninspired and creatively inept suggestions before I draft a personal brief. They'd not buy anything - because the work would be compromised. They'd say I was a bad photographer.

We are not video game developers. However, EA stakeholders surely take our threats of withdrawing subscription payments very seriously. It would not be untrue to say the player base is a huge problem with the implementation of content/feature updates in this game because we interrupt and unbalance the game's development process.

We'll never have the opportunity to taste that delicious roast.

This of course does not excuse the business practices of EA and their own stifling of Bioware's creative and narrative vision: but when even the vocal playerbase speaks in terms quarterly returns and subscriptions figures - can we really be surprised?

For better or worse - I'd love to see where this game would be now had no one complained or given praise. I'd just like to see if Bioware's game would be better than EA's/ours.

I've discussed this with my friends in-game and we have decided the same thing. We will continue to sub but if they charge for Makeb then we are out of here. Each of us bought mutliple CE's, subbed for 6 months initially but changed to monthly now, so it's not like we haven't paid out a lot already.

I think if you go back to before the F2P stuff they flat out said would be free, but since the F2P stuff they've certainly still being implying it (if not perhaps saying it).

I've seen this before in struggling MMORPGs, you end up not being able to trust anything told to you by the development company.

Actually, they did say it would be free.

They said this would be the biggest content update (The size of an expansion) in MMO history that would be free to players. I can promise you that they will lose a TON of subscribers if they decide to charge subbed people for this content.

Marketing 101. Do not say something will be free then change your mind and charge people. People will no longer trust you to do right by them.