EA COO (Peter Moore) maintains confidence in BioWare

Accepted. Thank you.

I can see your point because the market was in flux at the time of launch with reference to Subs vs. Freemium. But, you have to admit that the sub model is not the major reason for SWTORs decline. I think that if they launched with at least up to 1.3, then in 6 months hit with what we are getting in 1.4 and Freemium things might have gone smoother and wouldn't have felt unfinished. SWTOR feels "ready" now 8 months later. Hindsight and all that.

Your living in a dream..... People left Ultima Online because they were tired of being ganked relentlessly, It was the FFA PvP system that drove people away from UO, If everyone loved the FFA PvP system they would of never of changed it, they only changed it because people were leaving because of it.....

The reason PvP'ers got mad at AOC is because Funcom made quest areas more or less off limits to pvp'ers who wanted to gank people while they tried to access missions or shop on the auction hall....

Here's the thing about hardcore PvP'ers, they don't want to fight other PvP'ers, they want to fight people who aren't looking to fight, they want easy targets, people they can grief, thats how they have fun in a MMO...

Yeah, I don't see that as the major reason for people to unsub (there is a wide range of reasons in a large audience), but it is pretty clear from the survey analytics they showed that a lot of people would come back and play it if if was Freemum. Which honestly makes sense, so I don't think they are blowing smoke on that.

IMO (and hindsight is always 20/20), if they had launched as Freemium, a lot of people may have unsubbed, but would have continued to play while waiting on more content to either purchase a-la-carte or resub.

I have seen a lot of posts about Ultima Online and I thought it would interest people to know that Bioware is making a free 2 play adventure called: Ultima Forever

Edit: For the sake of being on topic: I doubt Moore means what he said, in the business world few of us have the luxury of being able to say what we really want to. We often have to wear a yes man mask and just nod, smile and spin something negative into something positive.

No it was the FFA PvP that got people into UO and made it a 'real' MMO. And no AoC had that awful 1.2 update that just ruined PvP for everyone by making it all about the gear and less about 'skill'.

FFA PvP is extremely niche in the MMO community. It's has followers, but MMO companies avoid it like the plague now days because it drives away many more players then it retains. MMO companies won't even put in a FFA server in their server farms, that's how problematic it is.

Well played sir, well played Except, if you look at the images, theres screenshots of stat variances. GW2 also has story mode for dungeons, and explorable with 3 dynamic event chains within the dungeon. You're right, SW:TOR does have what I mentioned above. Poorly executed though. One thing I never understood was gear grinding to get the gear to gear grind in another dungeon, rinse and repeat until the game shuts down. Which is why I love the concept of no gear grind, or minimal. Perhaps I just want to enjoy content? >.<

I'll agree, it's hyped like SW:TOR. But like I said in another post, BioWare devs hyped SW:TOR. Promising everything under the sun. There's a difference. And ArenaNet has full run of what they want to make. BioWare, obviously not so much, since it's EAWare. ArenaNet made a game and bases it on, "Is it fun?" However, EAWare bases it on, "How much profit are we making?" Corners were cut (optimization, Ilum), unfinished product, and bleeding players like a severed jugular. And going F2P, with more promises of quicker content releases while lying with PR spins. >.>

Hell, yesterdays stress test for GW2 was extended 2 hours. The devs kept posting, "Please help us test the following features." EAWare? It takes BioWare forever to fix a freaking bug. ArenaNet is actively in the game, playing with customers, and working on bugs. EAWare is sitting back counting the cash, and when they find they dont have as much as projected, they hit the panic button.

I know. I made a thread to show the hilarity of GW2's new /dance emote in a youtube video earlier. It was quickly deleted.

Are you seriously trying to equate lotro PvP to THIS crap?! WORLDS apart!!! Lotro PvP does a fabulous job of allowing the freeps to remain stronger, while the creeps needed to be smarter. Numbers weren't the deciding factor most of the time...strategy was. They also did an incredible job with allowing NPCs to offset imbalances in the two factions. A group of 2 could flip a keep, draw a bunch of freeps to them, while a larger force struck the real target. I very much enjoyed lotro's PvP because with or without opposition, with or without numbers, I was able to 'do stuff'. Sadly, the disconnect from creep characters always bothered me...they were little more than avatars I controlled with no true connection to the toon.

Whew!!! The universe is aligning again.

It's not "niche" lol. It's a natural progression in doing more and more challenging things with your toon. Reason #1 you have listed is completely inaccurate - MW3 had $775 MILLION in sales in 3 days. PvP is HUGE in gaming!!! MMO developers simply believe people with attitudes like yours and few cater to PvPers because of it...and they couldn't be more incorrect. PvP is a VERY untapped market in MMO gaming and the developers are fools to ignore it. Unlike the precious story content they need to script and work on for years, PvPers need a few incentives, some balance, a location and they ARE their own content.

PvP doesn't need weekly updates. PvP doesn't have a walkthrough. PvP can't be botted. PvP is NEVER the same twice, it is ALWAYS challenging. PvP is a freaking goldmine in MMOs that developers ignore.

Most PvPers are normal, every day roleplayers, pilots, crafters, PvEers and players who are simply looking for a challenge, not demonic jerks who wanna ruin everyone's life.

lol...who cares about EA, since I'd think they're more the reason behind releasing the game too soon....pushing more for the F2P business model, etc. I'd be more interested in BW's confidence in EA than the other way around.

Would pvper's whine if they weren't included in the equation? Yes, to have a successful MMO you have to cater to all elements of your potential subscriber base. The same way PvE'ers would wine if they didn't have their servers, and the way the forums blew up pre-launch when BW wasn't sure they were going to include RP-PVP servers. There is a standard set by that "other" giant game.


Really? Is it fake PvE if you que up through the group finder? You didn't go out into the world and assemble your own party so it must be fake PvE by your logic. WoW took elements of FPS and successfully combined them into an MMO format. People liked it. It was popular. To only consider world pvp to be "real" pvp is a pretty narrow-minded viewpoint, but 9 out of 10 posts you come across as condescending so I'm not surprised. You are pitting one player against another player in an objective based environment. To say you don't appreciate or enjoy that type of pvp would be legitimate. To say that it is fake pvp just makes you look like a judgmental old man.


Again with the "real" pvp. We get it you don't like the pvp here. I enjoy the pvp. The game billed as game for PvE'ers as much as PvP'ers. Saying that it isn't real pvp just shows your bias, you really present no serious argument that it isn't pvp other than your experience in another game. Ok it isn't like DAOC. And?