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Why P2W will ruin the game.


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TUXs
08.22.2012 , 08:39 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by LordTynell View Post
Life's not fair, nor is a video game. If they go P2W, so be it. If they stay F2P with cosmetics, so be it.

They have research and focus groups and marking reports - you don't. BioWare and EA will make the best decision based on the market's need, not your little gripe.
Focus groups and marketing research show a VERY narrow time frame in an MMOs life. Contrast the quick $ with P2W vs. W0Ws 8+ years of outrageous success with monthly sub fees, then tell me which model has more promise.

MMOs are not about the short term. Sadly, MMO developers seem to be.
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08.22.2012 , 08:42 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
All these P2W threads are pathetic. Jeebus how about wait and see what's actually in the store before doomsaying?

P2W games don't fair well in Western markets, and this game will receive its' well deserved death if they go that route.
They've stated clear enough that play to win will not occur. It is clearly evident that a P2W model will be counter productive to their desired outcome, so the chances of them changing their mind on this seems very unlikely not based on their "honor", but the business model they are seeking to achieve with this particular game.

Everything else is merely the mind projection fallacy of posters on the board.
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HarleysRule
08.22.2012 , 08:42 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
It's no use shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
These threads tend to assume the cash shop is P2W. There is no evidence (yet) for this, and EA insists it will not be P2W, so they know it is not popular. Do I trust EA? NO, but they they are trying to turn this game around, a going with a model proven to fail in the West would be brain dead even for EA.

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GalacticKegger
08.22.2012 , 08:47 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
They've stated clear enough that play to win will not occur. It is clearly evident that a P2W model will be counter productive to their desired outcome, so the chances of them changing their mind on this seems very unlikely not based on their "honor", but the business model they are seeking to achieve with this particular game.

Everything else is merely the mind projection fallacy of posters on the board.
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Nastynas
08.22.2012 , 09:15 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by LordTynell View Post
Life's not fair, nor is a video game. If they go P2W, so be it. If they stay F2P with cosmetics, so be it.

They have research and focus groups and marking reports - you don't. BioWare and EA will make the best decision based on the market's need, not your little gripe.
If their research and marketing reports were accurate, the game wouldn't be in this state.

Don't see why I should trust them now.
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pocketthesaurus
08.22.2012 , 09:22 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by TheRealCandyMan View Post
EA has said there will be blue level items available to buy for sub 50 classes. It's only going to be a matter of time until they do it for level 50s
Well, with the level cap being raised, that's not a big deal then. :P

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Omisri
08.22.2012 , 09:45 AM | #47
F2P will not ruin the game. The way Bioware handles it.... will ruin the game
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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 02:17 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
These threads tend to assume the cash shop is P2W. There is no evidence (yet) for this, and EA insists it will not be P2W, so they know it is not popular. Do I trust EA? NO, but they they are trying to turn this game around, a going with a model proven to fail in the West would be brain dead even for EA.
They (Bioware Devs and EA execs) are talking about it directly.

And they've already done it in games like Warhammer Online (and it sold very, very well).
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Cavell
08.22.2012 , 02:20 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Alavastre View Post
That is a matter of degrees. This game isn't doing as well as they wanted it to do. I don't want to keep explain business to people, but when you drop millions of dollars, the bean counters have justify the expense, so they put together projections on how the game will be received. It is obvious that EA thought it would be a bigger hit than it is. That doesn't mean it isn't doing well.
So you're saying that despite the fact the game would not be profitable if it stayed subscriber-only, it's still doing well? That seems...a little absurd.

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DarthTHC
08.22.2012 , 02:24 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by rickpArry View Post
P2W is a big issue and i wanted to put my 2 cents in. Basically, i think it will ruin the game because then all of the nooby 10 year old with rich parents will be able to pwn even the best players in pvp, be the best dps in ops, and do everything with their +300% damage boost gear that normal players wont be able to do. i do not believe any swtor player would want this, so all of you thinking it might be even a remotely good idea need to think seriously about the impact of p2w on normal skilled non rich players who just want to enjoy the game, including pvp and ops.
Sounds like you're jealous of 10 year olds with wealthy parents.

P2W, if and when it comes, will ruin the game, but maybe not for the reason you gave.