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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 06:25 AM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by POPsi View Post
It seems everyone is so concerned about "gear" in the CS. I have another vision on this... I guess we will soon see
extra ear slots, high-end pots that cannot be crafted, extra stats and skill points, CS only spells, loot that can only be "activated" by purchasing a scroll from CS, etc... none of these are considered to be "gear" strictly speaking, but this is what I'm afraid of. I really doubt they would put actual gear in the CS which would beat anything else, I don't care about gear added for 1-49. You just should take a look on real P2W games, they are an endless source of ideas what to put in CS that is not gear, but still P2W.
Oh yes, there are many, many, many ways to activated P2W.
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ChazDoit
08.22.2012 , 06:28 AM | #142
I'll just reiterate this since it looks like it totally went over people's head.

Quote: Originally Posted by ChazDoit View Post

And for the record you can buy gear with real money on GW2, sell your GEMS for gold so you can buy Items. And yes, gear is not that important in GW2, but to be fair, gear doesnt matter in SWTOR either until you hit 50

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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 06:42 AM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by ChazDoit View Post
I'll just reiterate this since it looks like it totally went over people's head.
I don't see your point.

If SWTOR goes P2W there is no other proper Star Wars MMORPG to go to, the only logical, reasonable course of action is to suggest to Bioware EA that they DON'T make SWTOR P2W in the first place.
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Lord_Karsk
08.22.2012 , 06:56 AM | #144
Better not be like STO, no game content only store pay to winn content.But if
bioware want to lose most if not all it's subs then go ahead.Then the game will really end up as warhammer 2.

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patchew
08.22.2012 , 07:06 AM | #145
meh, i just intend to watch every single day for what can be bought in the shop. The second i see an item that i would describe as pay-to-win, i will cancel my account and never look back (and most likely not buy EA games again, considering their reputation now).

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Bloodstealer
08.22.2012 , 07:33 AM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Yeah they've said many things (including Makeb would be free to subscriber - and now maybe not )...... including "everything is subject to change".

Can you honestly say that if selling green gear is their biggest cashshop earner no one at Bioware EA is going to go "well..... if green gear sells this well..... what if we sell purple gear?" etc. etc.

P2W is P2W is P2W.
The only way for them to earn off selling such gear is to rehash the ridiculous amounts of trash loot that drops in game.. otherwsie there is no market for the cashshop to thrive.
I like others couldn't give a rats if they sold green or blue items in the shop.. lets face it all the rest of the stuff is just throw away trash anyway - but NOT Purple or Orange moddable stuff, heck not any moddable stuf.
The only knock on effect might be for the crafters that make it to sell on... but then again it wouldnt take long for F2P players to cotton on that they could buy the gear ingame or loot it.. so the cashop will likely see a swift demise in those kind of sales...

The real winners in cashops are the power ups, the healing pots, the fluff and quest packs.. but healing and buffing is limited in SWTOR anyways, and more than enuff of them drop in game.. so unless BW is planning on culling item drops in general across the game.. expect the P2W things to be fewer and far between... of course anything P2W is purely a carrot - its up to the player to decide if they want EZ mode or fun.
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08.22.2012 , 08:19 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
I don't understand why you think I should be please to be sold the same stuff twice........ personally I find it mindboggling that any body would passively accept such a thing.

If they did it like LOTRO, then fair enough, but they aren't.
You aren't being charged for the same thing twice. A subscription to an MMO is based on the fact, and always has been based on the fact, that you are paying for the constant bug fixes, nerfs, buffs, and other updates, as well as for your 'spot' on the server.

What you're saying is buying the game twice is what we are already doing. You already bought the game once (to download it) and then subbed to it to actually be able to play it. The difference with F2P is that you don't ever 'buy the game once', you get parts of the game for free, and then pay for DLC packs. "Buy Black Hole for 3.99$!" or "Buy Makeb for 5.99$!". Subscription on a F2P MMO means you get unlimited access to the 'base' stuff. It's like if you went out and bought WoW without any expansion packs you'd be able to only play until level 60, and only as the original 8 races.

When you buy a sub in F2P that does not mean you are paying for content permanently... it's a subscription. If you buy a subscription to Maxim Magazine and then let the subscription lapse you don't keep getting magazines. Content in this case is magazines. If you want the content to be yours permanently then buy a ton of Cartel Coins.

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Blackardin
08.22.2012 , 08:24 AM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by Falonarion View Post
More and more, this feels like a PAY TO WIN model instead of a FREE TO PLAY model.
Do you people even read what is written, or do you just look at the title and post a reply? He just described how it would work and specifically stated that there will be no purchased top end gear.

What it may do is further cripple crafting by providing leveling gear and entry level 50 gear that can be purchased rather then made. As far as the ingame economy, I don't think it will matter as the game currently, with the poorly balanced missions and RE is more about mat selling then crafting.
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Goretzu
08.22.2012 , 08:27 AM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by FabulousDoctor View Post
You aren't being charged for the same thing twice. A subscription to an MMO is based on the fact, and always has been based on the fact, that you are paying for the constant bug fixes, nerfs, buffs, and other updates, as well as for your 'spot' on the server.

What you're saying is buying the game twice is what we are already doing. You already bought the game once (to download it) and then subbed to it to actually be able to play it. The difference with F2P is that you don't ever 'buy the game once', you get parts of the game for free, and then pay for DLC packs. "Buy Black Hole for 3.99$!" or "Buy Makeb for 5.99$!". Subscription on a F2P MMO means you get unlimited access to the 'base' stuff. It's like if you went out and bought WoW without any expansion packs you'd be able to only play until level 60, and only as the original 8 races.

When you buy a sub in F2P that does not mean you are paying for content permanently... it's a subscription. If you buy a subscription to Maxim Magazine and then let the subscription lapse you don't keep getting magazines. Content in this case is magazines. If you want the content to be yours permanently then buy a ton of Cartel Coins.

We are effectively being charged TWICE.

When LOTRO went F2P all the content you'd already had access too you kept access too, that is NOT what they are talking about with SWTOR.

It's frankly terrible that people that bought the full price box, paid 9-12 months of subscriptions are basically just going to get a few cartel coins for their loyalty to the game.

Nevermind that content dangled as a free subscription carrot is not being mooted as having to be paid for as well.
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08.22.2012 , 08:30 AM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by Bloodstealer View Post
The only way for them to earn off selling such gear is to rehash the ridiculous amounts of trash loot that drops in game.. otherwsie there is no market for the cashshop to thrive.
I like others couldn't give a rats if they sold green or blue items in the shop.. lets face it all the rest of the stuff is just throw away trash anyway - but NOT Purple or Orange moddable stuff, heck not any moddable stuf.
The only knock on effect might be for the crafters that make it to sell on... but then again it wouldnt take long for F2P players to cotton on that they could buy the gear ingame or loot it.. so the cashop will likely see a swift demise in those kind of sales...

The real winners in cashops are the power ups, the healing pots, the fluff and quest packs.. but healing and buffing is limited in SWTOR anyways, and more than enuff of them drop in game.. so unless BW is planning on culling item drops in general across the game.. expect the P2W things to be fewer and far between... of course anything P2W is purely a carrot - its up to the player to decide if they want EZ mode or fun.



It will utterly destroy the crafting market (but Bioware won't really care about that as it's impossible for them to make money off anyway).

But it will also badly unbalance L1-49 PvP and OPvP (such as it is).


You raise an interesting idea with culling drops though, as the players wouldn't know if they did that (by a sensible amount), but it would encourage people to buy them for RL cash - you may have a future in online gaming.
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