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I Am All For Pay To Win, Are You?

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I Am All For Pay To Win, Are You?

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Sarfux
08.21.2012 , 10:22 PM | #91
well if it goes pay to win you guys can all come in and play my mmorpg I am making Cryengine 3 is the engine and it's going to be revolutionary. An idea can spark a revolution. Here I come baby! Makin my dream!

No pay to win for SWTOR for me though. If it does, sadly....it would be hard, but I would leave.

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JimG
08.21.2012 , 10:34 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratior View Post
I bought into the pre-launch hype and own two copies of SWTOR Collector's Edition, mainly due to the promised "exclusive" CE Store where I hoped to spend real money to buy "exclusive" virtual items.
Why would you buy 2 CE versions of the game "mainly" because of the store? You wouldn't need to 2 versions of the game for that. Also, you didn't do much research before you spent your money because it was made clear before launch that the CE store would basically have vanity and cosmetic items, not any P2W items. Also, it was made clear that the CE store would not be a "real money" store.

Also, XP boosts aren't really "pay to win". They are "pay to level faster". That's hardly "winning". There's several sources out there from interviews, etc. where they've said they aren't going to make the game pay to win, so I wouldn't hold your breath there.

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Ratior
08.21.2012 , 10:58 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
Why would you buy 2 CE versions of the game "mainly" because of the store? You wouldn't need to 2 versions of the game for that. Also, you didn't do much research before you spent your money because it was made clear before launch that the CE store would basically have vanity and cosmetic items, not any P2W items. Also, it was made clear that the CE store would not be a "real money" store.

Also, XP boosts aren't really "pay to win". They are "pay to level faster". That's hardly "winning". There's several sources out there from interviews, etc. where they've said they aren't going to make the game pay to win, so I wouldn't hold your breath there.
I bought 2 copies of CE to ensure that I get at least one copy of CE. Its for insurance. I live in an Asian country and at that time Amazon had run out of CE copies. Had to get a relative from a neighbouring country to buy for me. Long story which I discussed in another thread. I knew that the CE store did not have any real money items, but anything can change in an MMORPG. I knew that.

XP boosts are P2W for me. And these are the things that I would like to see in any MMORPG.

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CharleyDanger
08.21.2012 , 11:12 PM | #94
Damn it! I wish I had a better memory. I listened to a podcast, maybe it was TorWars, and they were talking about P2W. Apparently a guy from Bioware gave an interview to this German MMO podcaster. The German guy brought the idea of P2W up. The guy from Bioware said that P2W would be a disaster in a game like SWTOR. He went on to say it would never happen. ****! I wish I could give a link, but I would put a large sum of money on SWTOR not being P2W.

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Mallorik
08.21.2012 , 11:29 PM | #95
MMOs all have one major drive that keeps people playing them, and it isnt doing new and exciting content, its getting the newmore powerful and coller looking gear. Some people may say thats not why they play but they are either lying to themselves, ignorant or in the very small minority.

The second you let anyone just buy the gear other people put time in to get, the game is going to die, and i dont mean dead like it is now, i mean really dead as in 15 people still play it.

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Cavell
08.21.2012 , 11:36 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by CharleyDanger View Post
Damn it! I wish I had a better memory. I listened to a podcast, maybe it was TorWars, and they were talking about P2W. Apparently a guy from Bioware gave an interview to this German MMO podcaster. The German guy brought the idea of P2W up. The guy from Bioware said that P2W would be a disaster in a game like SWTOR. He went on to say it would never happen. ****! I wish I could give a link, but I would put a large sum of money on SWTOR not being P2W.
Well, if a guy from EA said it, it must be true. EA, after all, is a company renowned for its honesty, integrity, and its relentless commitment to playing fair with the customer. Never in its history has it indulged in a shameless cash grab to the detriment of its own or someone else's IP, and it has always done its utmost to support and expand its MMO lineup through the most player-friendly means available.

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Uwel
08.22.2012 , 02:19 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by dinwitt View Post
I don't understand the outlash againt the idea of pay to win. Lets consider the extreme example of two players. Once has little to no obligations on his time, so he chooses to spend 10 hours of it a day in SW:TOR. He quickly reaches the pinnacle of each class in skill and gear, thanks to the large amount of time he is able to spend. No one complains about this man. But look at our other player. He has work and family and other obligations for a large majority of his day, meaning he can only spend at most 1 hour a day playing SW:TOR. He doesn't level up very fast, and once he does reach 50 he is left behind gear wise since he just doesn't have the time to learn the raids and get the gear. He loves the game, but is on the verge of quitting because he cannot participate in the game.

So tell me, why is it okay for the first player to leverage his lack of obligations into in-game success, but verboten for the second player to utilize his real life obligations to do the same?

And, in a completely unrelated question, free to play users will have limited pvp matches per day, meaning limited gains of pvp commendations and slower pvp gear acquisition. How is giving paying subscribers quicker access to better gear not pay to win? If pay to win is anything that gives one player an advantage in end game, how is unlimited war zones and access to operations for paying subscribers not pay to win?
You love examples? Here's one:

There's an Average Joe (the guy who work hard to get items) who is working for a company for 10 years now. He have high hopes to get his deserved promotion. One week before the announcement a new guy start at the company, it's well known he is a childhood friend of the boss (the player who buy p2w items).
The announcement day, of course the friend gets the promotion.

How would you feel yoursel in the shoes of Average Joe? Because in your reading it's absolutely acceptable There's an excuse for the promotion (he's my friend), and there's an excuse to make the guys' hard work into sh*t. I see no difference.

End...

For me, it's absolutely unacceptable even the slightes boost against other players. Doesn't matter if it's pvp or pve. We talk about cosmetic now, but I bet it'll change in no time. But they already started to feed us poop with the monthly cartel coins for subscribers bs, and that's just the beginning.

Sorry, I'm very frustrated, because this is the only game i play (because of it's Star Wars and all that thing), and i know i can't continue to play it anymore if it goes p2w (and it will). If they make subscriber only servers without cartel shop (or only REAL cosmetics), that would be another story, but it'll never happens...
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Darth-Rammstein
08.22.2012 , 02:45 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
MMOs all have one major drive that keeps people playing them, and it isnt doing new and exciting content, its getting the newmore powerful and coller looking gear. Some people may say thats not why they play but they are either lying to themselves, ignorant or in the very small minority.

The second you let anyone just buy the gear other people put time in to get, the game is going to die, and i dont mean dead like it is now, i mean really dead as in 15 people still play it.
What they should do is just sell orange gear shells in the cash shop. That way there are no stats linked to them and people can customize their appearance with new outfits. I know this won't be the case though since they've talked about blue level gear being sold but that is far from BiS anyways.
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Brakoz
08.22.2012 , 02:49 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratior View Post
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NinjaApacHe
08.22.2012 , 02:50 AM | #100
I'd rather choose Champions Online method of F2P. If you are a premium member (subbed) you win, if you are a f2p player you have to pay a lot to be quite close to me but not equal.
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