I Am All For Pay To Win, Are You?

I'd rather pay for vanity items than grind a mission 100 times over several weeks.
I have the money, but not the time or patience.

If one can obtain the P2W items in game with daily grinds, then I don't see the problem. People who have the time can grind for it, others can just buy it. It does not give someone an advantage if they can just buy the same item, that someone else worked for.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it is highly doubtful CE players will ever get anything that will give them an advantage over another player. All items need to be equally available to everyone (if said item gives a stat/ability advantage), either by buying in the store, or granted via subscription.

just because you bought a CE does not give you the right to have a stat advantage over anyone else, that they cannot attain.

Imo anything which allows more players to become involved in endgame gameplay is a plus. So if that means you can buy an "unlock lvl 50" and "rakata gear tokens" in order to join in on endgame raiding. Or can obtain "battlemaster tokens" in a similar fashion. I have no objections.

It doesn't hurt me to see additional players geared up and ready for the fight. Better yet, I benefit of it having a bigger selection of players to play with for raiding, and a bigger number of geared people in PvP not having to deal with that many players in mear recruit gear running around in the warzones.

In addition, I still believe the lvl 50 warzones should be tiered down further based on the expertise rating people have. This should also directly take care of the complaint that whoever buys their full battlemaster has the advantage, considering as to how you won't be facing them then anyway.

What I don't think should be introduced is items which actually have a direct impact on the outcome of the match, and are unobtainable by ingame means. Think higher level adrenals, med packs, etc.

For raiding purposes, I could care less. If they want to sell med packs which give you a one-time full HP replenishment during raids for 2 bucks a piece, fine by me. More money to them. It doesn't hurt me a single bit of people are using those sort of items. And considering as to how other's raid progression is the least of my concern, nor is their beating of a raid to be considered winning of any form, I could care less.



And I'm sure a lot of people will QQ over this, yet in the past years of advocating F2P in MMO's I've yet to encounter someone who can come with a valid argument on as to why bringing someone up to the same level as you or the allowing of items which enhance in a non-PvP environment are intrusive to their gameplay in any form in an MMO game. Usually the answer boils down to nothing more than e-pride and showboating.

If BW is serious about making Ranked War Zones an E-Sport, and Gabe Amantalego (sp?) has stated this ambition in interviews, then P2W has no place in this game's PvP.

I could care less about the PvE side of things. Let people P2W all they want in endgame raids and FPs for all I care.

OP you are being obstinate.

The comment about reworking the zones was apt to the flying mounts you think should be in the store.

While you are correct on the one hand that if EA/BW thought they would sell the planets would be reworked, you however, don't seem to realize that there has to be a return on investment that not only exceeds the cost but yeilds proffit. At this point EA/BW would be foolish to invest in completely changing the physics of the game. They need to work on improving what they currently have to a point where they stop loosing subscribers and actually increase subscribers (meh on the f2p crowd .. in the end if they are on fire for the game they will sub to support it .. if not they will leave).

The other point you are being obstinate on is the definition of Pay to win.

Pay to win is anything that gives one player and advantage over another player in end game only.

Those things would be things that either go above and beyond what is obtainable in the game and things that are only obtainable in the game for a considerable investment in time and experiencing difficult content to obtain.

Anything esle is a convienience. Period. It has no effect on the end game. If someone wants to ruin their leveling experience by rushing through the game with experience boosts, more power to them. They loose out on the inherent lessons gained through time spent learning to play their class. These people will be less skilled at the end game (unless they have previous experience from similar games).

Pay to win are things that effect End game competative PvP and End Game Raiding. Period.

If EA/BW goes Pay to Win, they might as well offer fully geared level cap characters that one can buy.

If they're serious about turning it into an actual e-sport, they'll need a quick way to drive in thousands and thousands of additional players with currently most of their time invested in WoW.

They'll simply need to offer them characters at level cap with full battlemaster to pull them in and get started, as the grind towards there is what is currently stopping many.

I want to buy 300 bh coms and a full set of Bm gear. whats that you say $30 cool heres 90, I'll have 3.

I am with everyone else that is a bad idea it takes the fun out of it and makes whoever has the most cash the best player. NO game should be like that.

What a stupid post.

Give EAWare all the money you want, but you'll be one of they very, very few standing in lesser-than-Light populated servers.

As for me, I'll be outta here in less than twelve parsec to even WoW... WoW!!

Yep stupid post by somebody who likes to waste money.

The minute I see one P2W item, adrenal, gear item, weapon in the item mall I am gone.

We already paid WAY more for this now free game just 8 months ago.