I Am All For Pay To Win, Are You?

WarbNull:
I consider anything that provides any advantage to the player, whether it saves him time in levelling or enables him get from A to B faster, or it provides him an advantage in PvP or PvE combat, to be P2W items.

In other words, anything that gives the player any advantage in the game and are not purely vanity items like non-combative pets or no-stats armour skins are, IMHO, P2W items.

In that case I apologise, I was a bit hasty in the reply.

The point I was (albeit very badly) trying to get across is people seem to think it will only be cosmetic items in the cash shop type thing. We've seen enough from the big publishers to know that if sets of armour and weapons will make money then they will sell them.

Cosmetics only bring in so much money whereas everyone likes shiny new armour and weapons. It all comes down to what will bring in the most cash.

I won't put anything past them.

We already know F2P is a stretch, and I called it last year (i'll drag up the quote if need be) that it would not go free to play it would go freemium. You get relatively nothing in the F2P model and in order to do anything it will cost.

You will see:

Deluxe Quicktravel
Social Animations
Custom outfits
Custom ship items that you can get only a SIMILAR version from the game (SWG did this with the hangar bay for those lucky in the TCG lottery and gave reg. players a small control panel to do the same "important" function, which was to store POBs)

Uh no?

BlazingShadow:
I consider Quicktravel P2W. Will you be buying Deluxe Quicktravel if offered in SWTOR?

I used to be the same way, but now I am just at the opinion that if I can go out and kill a few things to get something that is equal to or better than what I can by just buying it then its not an advantage at all. I now view people that buy such things as just being Lazy and wanting to skip ahead the the end. Like reading the ending of a book to see what happens.
I also view it now as if they wish to give there money to companies in order to skip a few things in the game then more power to them. It does not hurt me as a player. Now if it was to give them an advantage over me then I will not like it.
It is sort of like the Kits Shortcuts in BF3. A game that I mod for. Players in that game can pay to unlock kits instead of earning them as they level. It rally does not give them an advantage as everyone can earn them. (Or pick them up off there dead bodies.) Its just them paying to skip ahead and have things like others that already have them. They do not get an advantage. They are just being Lazy.

First off all, Flying mounts would require a ton of reworking of the zones secondly, your special Collectors edition items you are asking for wouldn't be pay 2 win as only collectors edition owners would be able to buy it right? get off your high horse we as CE holders got our ****** CE vendor. pay 2 win games tend to fail so enjoy playing with next to no one.

Once a game becomes P2W it becomes pointless (and no one will play it).

It's like allowing people to buy God-Mode in Team Fortress.

This thread is not about reworking of zones, its about whether or not one is for or against P2W. If EA thinks people would play for flying mounts, why wouldn't they rework the zones? This would be a business decision.

And yes, I am referring to items that are only accessible to CE owners that would give the purchaser advantage over other players in a PvP situation like Warzones or any open world PvP situation. I am not getting off my high horse. I paid for my 2 SWTOR CE games and I want access to exclusive items.

I understand, and I am sure there many busy people who choose to play MMO games in their free time. I guess I am simply saying that having the option to purchase certain in-game items with real money, rather than having to grind them, is for me a question of resource management. If I have the choice of buying something for $2 for example, or spending a 1/2 hour farming it, then what I consider is whether my time is worth more than $4/hour. If it is, then I would rather just use the store. Again, I am talking about consumables, etc.... Not having to worry too much about acquiring such items allows me to focus my play time on the fun part - leveling, gearing up, enjoying the story etc ...

Also, another post made reference to balancing time. My perspective is that the issue is not so much balancing one's time as it is being smart with one's time.