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They are already discussing milking the subscribers

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Durasturan
08.20.2012 , 02:25 PM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You dont have to wonder... all that money went towards the new "expansion" and the F2P conversion
It's an especially interesting question when you consider that massive rounds of layoffs meant their expenses were not nearly as high as they had been previously.

So where exactly did this money go?

It didn't go to the people that built they game, they were all sacked. It didn't go into the game itself, updates have been sparse and few between.

So all that money went to EA and now after not investing back into their investment they are wondering why their investment is doing so poorly...

This whole thing really boggles my mind.

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discosoc
08.20.2012 , 02:25 PM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by Wayshuba View Post
I agree with you for the F2Pers. What I am saying is those of us who purchased and subbed for the game should keep what we already paid for when it goes F2P. If we were subbers up to that point, and opt to go F2P, then any future content should be purchased as normal under the model. If we maintain our subs, then future content should be provided as part of that sub. But, they should not be taking away stuff you already have paid for in any event and then expect you to pay for it again if you opt for the F2P route.

What I just described is exactly how LOTRO handled it. What you had already paid for you kept, but new stuff had to be purchased or was provided if you maintained a sub (or had purchased a lifetime sub). EA wants to take away stuff we have already paid for, unless we maintain a subscription. Which is complete bullocks.
The thing is, TOR hasn't really been around long enough to for any of us to pay for anything. LotRO had several expansions worth of content, so grandfathering some people in based upon what they subscribed to (meaning they purchased the xpacs) was relevant.

With TOR, the only thing that qualifies is end-game stuff like PVP warzones, HM's, and Ops. If TOR was several years old and had a level cap of 60 or 70 now, I could see Bioware giving away older end-game content like Turbine did. TOR is still fairly new, however, and going F2P doesn't mean it's becoming a non-profit charity.

Maybe people feel cheated out of paying 50 dollars for a boxed game that becomes free less than a year later; that's a valid complaint. Bioware might decide to reward people who did purchase the game with a chunk of CP or something, who knows. Honestly, I didn't expect them to give away a free month of gameplay earlier this year, but they did. I'm just not holding my breath for it, and I certainly don't expect it to happen from a business stand point.

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Soluss
08.20.2012 , 02:25 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Taorus View Post
and yet you felt the need to go off half cocked when you don't have a single clue as to what Makeb ETC will be\include.
Its 1 planet and 5 levels. How long it take you to get from 45 -50. Took me 2 days. Go ahead and pay extra for that, I dont care. To you its money well spent and to me and alot of others its not. To me, its content that we should have gotten all along. See my sig. That was a dev statement... month after month after month... its going to be exciting! Thats what my sub was suppose to pay for. Its not anything close to what we have gotten. 4 months now and we have gotten 1 half baked non repeatable world event.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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discosoc
08.20.2012 , 02:27 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
But that's the point they aren't giving subscribers that bought the core game and paid a sub for it for 1 year the core game for free.

You only get it IF you continue your subscription, which is basically charging twice for the same thing.


In fact there's no guareentee under that system that if you subscribe and have to buy Makeb and then go F2P that you'll have full access to Makeb either.
How is that any different than what you are getting today, right now? It's how MMO sub models work. You pay for the game, and you pay to keep playing it. If you stop paying, you can't keep playing.

They are actually doing you a service by giving you ANY access at all to the game when you no longer subscribe.

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Andryah
08.20.2012 , 02:27 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
In fact there's no guareentee under that system that if you subscribe and have to buy Makeb and then go F2P that you'll have full access to Makeb either.
Conversely, there is no guarantee you won't have full acces either.

I encourage not getting upset on speculation that is unconfirmed
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Durasturan
08.20.2012 , 02:27 PM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
The thing is, TOR hasn't really been around long enough to for any of us to pay for anything. LotRO had several expansions worth of content, so grandfathering some people in based upon what they subscribed to (meaning they purchased the xpacs) was relevant.

With TOR, the only thing that qualifies is end-game stuff like PVP warzones, HM's, and Ops. If TOR was several years old and had a level cap of 60 or 70 now, I could see Bioware giving away older end-game content like Turbine did. TOR is still fairly new, however, and going F2P doesn't mean it's becoming a non-profit charity.

Maybe people feel cheated out of paying 50 dollars for a boxed game that becomes free less than a year later; that's a valid complaint. Bioware might decide to reward people who did purchase the game with a chunk of CP or something, who knows. Honestly, I didn't expect them to give away a free month of gameplay earlier this year, but they did. I'm just not holding my breath for it, and I certainly don't expect it to happen from a business stand point.
Really? Gee cuz I thought I'd already paid nearly $200 to BW and EA for the game and my sub since December. I guess I must not have actually paid for anything then...

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discosoc
08.20.2012 , 02:29 PM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
Really? Gee cuz I thought I'd already paid nearly $200 to BW and EA for the game and my sub since December. I guess I must not have actually paid for anything then...
You paid for the ability to play the game, and you received that ability. There's nothing new about a subscription model for MMO's. It's been a criticism for years, so I'm not sure why you are just now starting to get upset about paying them.

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Soluss
08.20.2012 , 02:30 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Conversely, there is no guarantee you won't have full acces either.

I encourage not getting upset on speculation that is unconfirmed
I encourage that he does get upset. If noone spoke their mind about it then I guarentee you that BW would start charging for anything and everything. Why? Because they think they can get away with it and noone would care. You have to stand up for yourself before things happen. You cant just sit idly by and hope for the best.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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JWillets
08.20.2012 , 02:31 PM | #229
it really all depends on what they mean by "meaty." I don't see how they can justify charging subscribers for content that should have come out a month ago. There really hasn't been all that much put out (1 new wz novare coast , 2 new fp's Kaon and LI, 1.5 ops *last 2 bosses in kp and all of ec, and 1 world boss), everything else they put out are just things that should've been in the game at launch. Im not paying for a subscription for buggy content that ill just have to pay for like F2P people. I hope to see a CS response to this kinda fast.

Also ms. Berryman has been on the forums since this thing went up so I can see that they're definitely dodging this one for the time being. It should be noted that since I saw this thread and wrote this response, 6 pages have filled up.

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discosoc
08.20.2012 , 02:32 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
If they in fact mean that you will have enough cartel coins to outright buy all the content you had access too as a subscriber as a new F2P player then fair enough.

However I'd be surprised if all that sold for as little as 1350 cartel coins, massively surprised in fact.

I wouldn't be suprised if a FP didn't go for much more than 1000.
It's starting to sound like you just want the game to be literally free to play for you. Meaning, you get an MMO without having to pay a sub fee. Despite the moniker "free to play", the business model is certainly not. Bioware has definitely not marketed this MMO as being a one-time purchase like Guild Wars, so it's a bit unrealistic to get angry when they don't make it one.