They are already discussing milking the subscribers

100% wrong!!!!

You have BOUGHT a boxed game and therefore do own it. Sorry, the sub is for access to the servers which they are now about to make free. F2Pers, on the other hand, won't have to buy the game as everyone here already has.

I don't know about LOTRO in terms of slots, bag space etc. (never played it) but as far as questing content, yes they have let you keep it because I just looked at their shop and original content has to be bought by F2Pers. BW seem to be saying that they are giving all 1-50 questing/class stories for free to all.

Depends on the cost. What if it was only $10? That is worth it. WoW's expansions are are $40 and you only gain 5 levels also and 1 new zone. So how is it really different? Sure ToR's would be smaller hence the cheaper price. Also I am sure there will be more then just the 1 Operation in time for the "expansion" if that's how we want to call it. But until there is a price on anything for subs, there is no need to really whine or cry about it.

Wow...another person who failed to actually read the ToS before they spammed the character screen.

No I didn't, I've linked to it. Terms of Service are for the sub fee. The End User License Agreement (EUALA) is for the boxed game you bought itself.

That being said, we currently pay a sub fee under the ToS for content that was purchased under the EUALA. Now, they are making the servers (and the initial game) free, where F2Pers have to buy the content like we did when we purchased the boxed game.

But, since I have indeed read them, here:

To gain access to the Software, you must: (a) have acquired the Software (whether on DVD-ROM, CD-ROM or other physical media or by digital download) by legal means; (b) have installed the Software on your computer; (c) have a valid Star Wars: The Old Republic ("SWTOR") account and accept the EA Privacy Policy, Terms of Service and SWTOR Rules of Conduct (available at www.swtor.com); (d) agree to share your account and game play information (but not any of your billing information) with EA’s licensor, LucasArts, a division of Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. ("LucasArts"); and (e) have accepted this EUALA.

As you can see, we have (a) purchased the game (b) and installed it and, once free to play and server access is free we will all have met the conditions of (c) having an account (not a sub, mind you but an account).

Under the Terms of Service, for your sub fee, you are entitled to the following:

3. Entitlements

"Entitlements" are licensed rights granted, awarded, provided and/or purchased by you to access and/or use online or off-line elements or features of EA Services and/or products. Entitlements include but are not limited to paid and free downloadable content, unlockable content, digital and/or virtual assets, rights of use tied to unlock keys or codes, serial codes and/or online authentication of any kind, in-game achievements and virtual or fictional currency not otherwise governed by a Digital Services Agreement

So they are in fact contractually pulling from their current obligations under content you have already purchased both from the EUALA and under the Terms of Service.

Don't even begin to try and justify how subscribers since day one who paid $60 for the game and $150 in sub fees ($210) total by the time F2P drops deserve to lose a single thing they have paid for up until that point just because they opt to use F2P from that point forward.

To make matters worse, and F2Per will be able to by an Op once, just once, while subscribers are expected to keep paying for it month after month after month. Let's say they decide to charge $5 for FPs and $10 for Ops. An F2Per comes in, plays for free, the spends $50 on FPs and $20 for Ops and they have the whole kit and kaboodle for $70 permanently while all subscribers continue to pay for it monthly, over and over and over again.

People forget that by the time LotRO went F2P, it had 3 years of free updates (called books) and 1 paid expansion under it's belt. Even then, they didn't give everything away for free during the transition. The core game because free, albeit with limited features like bag space and gold caps, but it was free. Any sort of end-game or use of expansion quests or areas still required a purchase.

The one thing subscribers got for "free" was Mines of Moria, assuming they had already paid for the expansion as a subscriber. Everyone else had to purchase it with TP.

That is incorrect, or at least not an accurate argument. Read section 14 for more information.

But as things stand they won't be giving you coins to purchase them as a subscriber, they'll simply be giving you access as long as you ARE a subscriber.

Unlike LOTRO where you got the content you already had.

BW has bills to pay, employees to pay, stockholders to please.. you are going to pay for expansions. Sure once in a while there may be a freebie for paid subs, but it's totally acceptable top buy expansions or do without. That said they need to be good expansions, with at least 50 to 60 hours of playime or more needed to complete. If players can finish them in a weekend, then that would be bogus if they cost the usual $40.00 to $50.00. If anyone needs a frame of reference, Dragon Age origins (pc game from bioware) could be finished in a weekend (if you did not do side quests).

It had 2 paid expansions by the time it went F2P, the 2nd was just before it went F2P.

But people that had bought all that got to keep all that.

The also got to keep free zones that had been brought in as part of the books IIRC.