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Makeb: BW, let me be abundantly clear.

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Tuscad
08.20.2012 , 12:21 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by EvilCoatrack View Post
This thread could really, really benefit from some of that increased communication that the CMs were talking about a week or so ago.

Hint. Hint.


If there's no plan to charge subscribers additional money for one new planet, it's a simple thing to say, and would relieve a lot of people posting here.

If there IS a plan to charge subscribers additional money for one new planet, it's a dangerous thing to say, as it would greatly upset a lot of people posting here.

Bioware, EA, Community Team: Your silence on this issue is both telling and troubling.
Seeing as how they unstickied it, I think they are done. That is what happened the last time right when they unstickied.
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Anzel
08.20.2012 , 12:29 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Tuscad View Post
Nah, it just means we don't like to bend over and dance like a puppet.
Edit: That sounds like ventriloquism.
No, I'm pretty sure you're not a customer unless you pay. Nobody cares about the massive droves of whining forum trolls anymore. They were a big deal a few years back but after they ruined a number of good MMOs publishers and developers eventually caught on. Those are mainly just people with sad ,little, petty lives. People with no money to spend on their product to begin with. BW has done a great job of ignoring them
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tolaf
08.20.2012 , 12:32 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
N BW has done a great job of ignoring them
ignoring them, and the rest fo the community as well.
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Tuscad
08.20.2012 , 12:33 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
No, I'm pretty sure you're not a customer unless you pay. Nobody cares about the massive droves of whining forum trolls anymore. They were a big deal a few years back but after they ruined a number of good MMOs publishers and developers eventually caught on. Those are mainly just people with sad ,little, petty lives. People with no money to spend on their product to begin with. BW has done a great job of ignoring them
Right because we haven't paid up to this point and are just free loading.
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08.20.2012 , 12:44 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
No, I'm pretty sure you're not a customer unless you pay. Nobody cares about the massive droves of whining forum trolls anymore. They were a big deal a few years back but after they ruined a number of good MMOs publishers and developers eventually caught on. Those are mainly just people with sad ,little, petty lives. People with no money to spend on their product to begin with. BW has done a great job of ignoring them
I know I'm going to start sounding like a broken record soon but a lot of the people voicing their concerns are not the same people that have been all doom and gloom predicting the end of the world and post things for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people. A lot of us are people that have supported the game and are paying and for the most part planned to continue to do so after the F2P transition and are simply concerned about how much more beyond our subscription that we are going to be expected to pay for. Depending on what happens your right maybe some of us will no longer be customers and we won't matter but for the time being we do.
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Tuscad
08.20.2012 , 12:46 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Shadezilla View Post
I know I'm going to start sounding like a broken record soon but a lot of the people voicing their concerns are not the same people that have been all doom and gloom predicting the end of the world and post things for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people. A lot of us are people that have supported the game and are paying and for the most part planned to continue to do so after the F2P transition and are simply concerned about how much more beyond our subscription that we are going to be expected to pay for. Depending on what happens your right maybe some of us will no longer be customers and we won't matter but for the time being we do.
^ Very well stated, you found the words that I could not.
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Wayshuba
08.20.2012 , 01:00 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by discosoc View Post
I remember back when your subscription fee was just to cover access to the servers and your characters and stuff. New content was specifically reserved for expansions. Free updates in MMO's were mostly bug fixes and, rarely, class balance changes.

It's great that MMO's do tend to hand out free content now, but complaining about it is getting annoying. When you agree to pay 15 a month, nowhere in that agreement does it include any additional content.

That's not to say Bioware deserves a free pass in the court of public opinion when they promise new content for free and fail to deliver. Just stop acting like you've been ripped off.
Sorry, but it is VERY clear in the EA documentation that you do get content.

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/#section3

What is even more interesting is the Entitlements of the sub fee are ALL related to content and nothing at all is mentioned about server access.

So, it is perfectly acceptable to expect to get what you pay for in the legal agreement in using the service.
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08.20.2012 , 01:34 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by kidatwood View Post
once again complaints from speculation. I'd gladly pay 10 bucks for an expansion.
When you say expansion, do you mean 1 planet and 5 levels of content? Or is it more than that?

Fan boys really will make any excuse to keep pouring their money down the drain huh? No one with half of a brain will pay a subscription plus Makeb. That is even if anyone is still around. Looks like in the Fall/November its gonna be just the fan boys left . Sad, this game had so much potential.
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08.20.2012 , 03:30 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
JTL was NEVER supposed to be in the game for launch, never.

It was in developement before launch, yes, but was annouced way before SWG went Live as a paid for expansion.




However the big issue with Makeb is not really if they charge for or or not, but rather that they SAID they would not charge for it and now are back tracking on that pledge.

If they'll back track on that, then there is NOTHING in SWTOR they won't backtrack on.
In a old interview with Raph Koster he said the space part of the game was suppose to be part of the original game but due to time constraints SOE decided to release it as an expansion later on... If I can find that article i'll link it..

Here's the thing about Makeb, if since the original announcement they have added a ton more content to it, then by all means sell it as an expansion pack, but if it's nothing more then 2-3 hrs of content then ya I would be pissed...
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Goretzu
08.20.2012 , 03:34 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Monoth View Post
In a old interview with Raph Koster he said the space part of the game was suppose to be part of the original game but due to time constraints SOE decided to release it as an expansion later on... If I can find that article i'll link it..

Here's the thing about Makeb, if since the original announcement they have added a ton more content to it, then by all means sell it as an expansion pack, but if it's nothing more then 2-3 hrs of content then ya I would be pissed...
Well they were orginally aiming to get it out close to the orginal SWG release, but still as a paid for expansion. However they realised that schedule wasn't even vaguely realistic.

Yeah if Mekab is SoK or BC or MoM sized then fair enough, but can't see it being bigger than WARs LoTD myself.
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