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bionamaster
08.20.2012 , 09:48 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Pathlight- View Post
If you charge subscribers for Makeb and similar new content trying to pass them off as an "expansion", I will leave your game for good, as will probably many others. I have subscribed since December, paid 15 bucks every month to subsidize your F2P shift and had barely any new content since then. As far as I'm concerned, given the lack of content since launch, subscribers have paid for one or 2 expansions already.
Um, I believe a new planet with missions, NPCs, and a planet storyline actually is new content. I'll continue subscribing to this game, and I'm sure many more will too.

There will also be an Operation, a Warzone, and a new playable species with the coming update.
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08.20.2012 , 09:50 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by bionamaster View Post
Um, I believe a new planet with missions, NPCs, and a planet storyline actually is new content. I'll continue subscribing to this game, and I'm sure many more will too.

There will also be an Operation, a Warzone, and a new playable species with the coming update.
He's not saying they are not "new content".

He's saying that having to pay for a sub AND then to still pay for new content like Makeb on top of that sub isn't what they suggested "F2P" with a sub would be.
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bionamaster
08.20.2012 , 09:52 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
He's not saying they are not "new content".

He's saying that having to pay for a sub AND then to still pay for new content like Makeb on top of that sub isn't what they suggested "F2P" with a sub would be.
Is he sure that it's going to be required to pay for it even with a sub? Because, if it hasn't been actually announced by Bioware, I won't believe it until it is.
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Goretzu
08.20.2012 , 09:56 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by bionamaster View Post
Is he sure that it's going to be required to pay for it even with a sub? Because, if it hasn't been actually announced by Bioware, I won't believe it until it is.
They've said they are discussing doing it that way (they said so in an interview yesterday), so whilst it hasn't been decided it will, it hasn't been decided it won't either........ which is why people are making their feeling CLEAR on this aspect I guess, before they've absolutely decided either way and it's far too late to change it.
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Monoth
08.20.2012 , 10:03 AM | #85
To play devils advocate:

In SWG: The wookie planet was considered an expansion they made you pay $19.99 for and it was just one planet... The same for the Obi-wan expansion, just one planet also and you had to pay $19.99 for it.... They also charged you $19.99 for Jump to Lightspeed which was suppose to be in the game at launch....

That said, Makeb better have a ton of content if they expect to charge us for it... If it's the size of a regular DLC like their other games which usually equals 1-2 hrs of game play then they shouldn't' charge for it.... but if it's several weeks worth of new content then sure I would call that an expansion and pay it...
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Anzel
08.20.2012 , 10:18 AM | #86
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I'm good either way. have my 9.99US ready to go.
^^This. Or even better still, I'll continue to subscribe *and pay for the expansion . Do you think they have an enormous team of developers and writers and producers working to bring you updates for free? They are in business to make $$$$$.

OP: Let me be abundantly clear. If you don't have $ then you're not a customer. I mean really :/
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bionamaster
08.20.2012 , 10:19 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
They've said they are discussing doing it that way (they said so in an interview yesterday), so whilst it hasn't been decided it will, it hasn't been decided it won't either........ which is why people are making their feeling CLEAR on this aspect I guess, before they've absolutely decided either way and it's far too late to change it.
Well, I'll pay for it if it actually does come to that. I'm sorry some may miss out though.
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Lostpenguins
08.20.2012 , 10:25 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Pathlight- View Post
TL,DR: charging subscribers for Makeb is bad business, nevermind what the few sycophants left say.
Correction: "It's bad business in YOUR eyes." Stop insulting others because they have a different opinion than yours.

With that being said, I will state that I won't pay an extra dime beyond my subscription for content that is simply one extra planet. Me paying for extra content (i.e. an expansion) better come with more than just a planet. I would expect a level cap increase, new story, new planets, new abilities, new FP's, and at least 2-3 new operations at release.

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Goretzu
08.20.2012 , 10:37 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Monoth View Post
To play devils advocate:

In SWG: The wookie planet was considered an expansion they made you pay $19.99 for and it was just one planet... The same for the Obi-wan expansion, just one planet also and you had to pay $19.99 for it.... They also charged you $19.99 for Jump to Lightspeed which was suppose to be in the game at launch....

That said, Makeb better have a ton of content if they expect to charge us for it... If it's the size of a regular DLC like their other games which usually equals 1-2 hrs of game play then they shouldn't' charge for it.... but if it's several weeks worth of new content then sure I would call that an expansion and pay it...
JTL was NEVER supposed to be in the game for launch, never.

It was in developement before launch, yes, but was annouced way before SWG went Live as a paid for expansion.




However the big issue with Makeb is not really if they charge for or or not, but rather that they SAID they would not charge for it and now are back tracking on that pledge.

If they'll back track on that, then there is NOTHING in SWTOR they won't backtrack on.
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08.20.2012 , 10:38 AM | #90
This thread could really, really benefit from some of that increased communication that the CMs were talking about a week or so ago.

Hint. Hint.

If there's no plan to charge subscribers additional money for one new planet, it's a simple thing to say, and would relieve a lot of people posting here.

If there IS a plan to charge subscribers additional money for one new planet, it's a dangerous thing to say, as it would greatly upset a lot of people posting here.

Bioware, EA, Community Team: Your silence on this issue is both telling and troubling.
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