Lower the cost of War Hero and other Higher end gear.

Loosing in recruit against full WH teams is fun, waiting 40 minutes to get into RWZ is double fun.

For the low low price of only 35000 cartel coins a piece!

Though they could set it up where you pay a fee for 20% more pvp comms. And yes that is p2w, but so is limited war zone vs unlimited.
Either way P2W will come at some point when the bottoms line doesn't add up for the stockholders.

It's pretty easy to cheat the system by farming ranked warzone comms. Get two 8 man teams, queue at the same time, use ventrilo...If your queues don't pop at the exact same time, leave queue and try again. You'll always go against each other. Farm it out and fully WH all your characters in a few days.

Is it lame? Yeah, but this game is lame, that's why I'm switching over to GW2 where it's not a massive gear grind every couple months.

What would a fresh 50 do going into a warzone against someone in fully augmented BH gear ? Seriously aurgement is completly bad. You can not expect to have someone that just started playing be as good as someone that has been playing from launch no matter how you break it down. The player that has been playing longer will win. They will know the class they will know all the tricks and tactics. People saying the gear is what makes the difference just dont see it.

And people who make this argument don't see that the experienced guy shouldn't need gear to beat the fresh 50, but they always seem to want the advantage anyway.

Nope. You guys should honestly earn your gear the same way I did. By gettting stomped into the ground for about 40-80 comms a game. Sometimes I won so that was good, but still. Grind for it. If there were no gear grinds there would be no point on Level 50 PVP. Do you do Level 50 PVP to have fun? Hmm lets see? 19k WH/Augmented vs. 17k Battlemaster? Or a 13k Recruit? Nah. You do it for gear.

This is my story, in a nice list format.

1. Hit level 50, start grinding for Centurion/Champion tier.
2. By the time I hit Valor 60, I had a ful Champion set.
3. Worked on Battlemaster set, and then got another set since it was announced that without the original mods, you wouldnt get the expertise upgrade in 1.2.
4. Got a full Battlemaster set, I think I was 74, so I grinded my way up to Valor 80 Conqueror cause I was still having fun.
5. War Hero is released, and it's an even longer grind than Battlemaster was. And the pride of having Battlemaster is null and void, since now Battlemaster is easy as hell to get, with like 12,000 WZ comms total.
6. Start grinding War Hero gear, and realize it will become just as cheap and easy to get as Battlemaster, once Champion War Hero is released.
7. Took a break and came back two months later.
8. Noticed all of the glaring and boring flaws of having a gear grind, stun fest PvP game.

^This. A hundred times, this. I see no point in having to gear grind just to stay competitive, when in a few short months that gear will become obsolete, and you will have to grind all over again. This is so you will continue to pay your sub, for a buggy game, that will never get fixed. Which is my biggest gripe, bugs that never get fixed, but thats for another post. That, and being stunned, killed, and then having your resolve bar run down while you're in the spawn room for like 30 seconds, only to walk out and get stunned again, is not fun, it's stupid.


TL;DR: The Buggy, stun fest, gear grind that is PvP in this game, is not fun. I'm glad I took a break from the game so I could see this.

Edit to add:

Not sure, if serious... Dumbest thing I've ever heard. You play games for fun, not to grind like it's a job. PvP is to improve and to prove your skill. Not how well you can do with a gear crutch. I hope this was a joke. Otherwise there is no competitive spirit in PvP.

Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow

And people who make this argument don't see that the experienced guy shouldn't need gear to beat the fresh 50, but they always seem to want the advantage anyway.

^This guy gets it.

There is a huge gap from recruit to warhero, but you can't focus on that, because there is this little thing called battlemaster in the middle, and it is quite easy to get... And whereas recruit to battlemaster is a huge improvement, moving up to warhero is somewhat minor in comparison. There are also dailies that you can do as a 50, and they pay you a ton of credits and should allow you to fully augment your battlemaster gear with lvl 49 blue augments by running them completely just 2 or 3 times (38k for MK-6 augment kit, 30k to install, and about 8k for the augment equals about 72k per slot, or just about 1m credits total)

Within a week or or two you should be doing fine, and I know that the pugs I join are pulling along recruit geared folks and winning often, so it shouldn't just be constant death all the time.

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1.5 million and you didn't factor in augments?

People must be charging 120k per MK-6 on your server.

That being said.. if you are too broke to afford all the augments, at least buy the high level green augments... you'll get 90% of the stats for 5% of the cost. Then buy the good ones as you can afford them.

Just take and raise the cap of warzone comms you can get to be enough to buy full BM gear. That way, you can work on it in Sub-50 PvP that people seem to like as being a "level playing field"(which is false BTW. where your level 20 PvP armor in when you are level 45 and tell me how you do to other level 45s)

Then lower the price to augment.

Then you have recruit for people wanting to get into PvP after not doing it much or at all until 50, and the ones doing it before 50 can do so with the purpose of preparing for 50; then people will augment that gear.

The gap shrinks a bit, yet there is still reason to work for War Hero like many have.