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Lower the cost of War Hero and other Higher end gear.

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Lower the cost of War Hero and other Higher end gear.

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UnderatedNoob
08.20.2012 , 07:22 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatorial View Post
I don't think you've ever played solo against 2 premades of the same guild.
Premade does not equal good players, or even coordination.

Either way. Double premade is rare. You're talking about 1 in 20 matches or more. So 95% of the time you should get 8 medals... the other 5% get 6.

And no, I havn't played a 1v8 since last patch... it's pretty good about giving me teammates.
"Anyone who rolls an Imp is just a horrible person in real life."
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Boufsa
08.20.2012 , 07:23 AM | #22
Fortunately it doesn't happen very often, maybe 2 times over the last 6 months. But when in your PUG there are only level 43 green gear 11k pv people, you are 14.5kpv thanks to the recruit gear and in front on you there are two vocal-premade group with full WH augmented gear, you can do your best, know how to play and what are the tactics and still get no medals. Both times the thing happened I was playing my sage. I probably could have make one medal by healing myself, but the WZ ended so quickly I didn't even had time to think about it.


I have other stats form my server: 66% of the time, the 3 best players of the losing team have their 8 medals, and the 5 other have around 6. 10% of the time the whole losing team has their 8, and the rest of the time they are outpowered so much that the best of the losing team hardly earned 3-4 medals

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UnderatedNoob
08.20.2012 , 07:26 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Boufsa View Post
I probably could have make one medal by healing myself, but the WZ ended so quickly I didn't even had time to think about it.
So ip so facto... you should always get medals. Even as a dps you could get a couple healing medals if the stars aligned in the sky for two fully war hero premades to meet your full recruit team... .LOL.
"Anyone who rolls an Imp is just a horrible person in real life."
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Boufsa
08.20.2012 , 07:31 AM | #24
Don't laught, I play on a pve server, the pvper population is low and there is a big gap between the players which are very well geared and the others. It frequently happens that republic has two premades while empire has only PUG and since there are not much people tagging those are freqently facing each other.

additionnaly the PUGs are sometimes very noob, which causes an even greater unbalance

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islander
08.20.2012 , 07:36 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by WrykilX View Post
Suck it up. Everyone else earned their War Hero gear and you can too! Why do you think you're special and should be allowed to bypass the hardships that everyone else in the game had to endure? We got through it and so can you!

The "Gimme Gimme Now!" sense of entitlement among people today is hilarious.

Did I cover everything?
You didn't cover why you need a gear advantage to win warzones.
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LarryRow
08.20.2012 , 07:46 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by WrykilX View Post
Suck it up. Everyone else earned their War Hero gear and you can too! Why do you think you're special and should be allowed to bypass the hardships that everyone else in the game had to endure? We got through it and so can you!

The "Gimme Gimme Now!" sense of entitlement among people today is hilarious.

Did I cover everything?
Said the guy who "earned" his war hero gear when everyone else was, so he wasn't facing people who out-geared him.
A classic sig that should not be lost:
Quote:
Stunned , pew pew hack slash , stunned , running backward circles, stunned cannot move, pew pew, break stun, 30 second snare, wha?!?!!? stunned, knockdown, ...less stun more pew pew and hacknslash please.

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kuey
08.20.2012 , 07:47 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by anstalt View Post
I say just reduce the cost of augmenting gear

That way, people will be more willing to augment recruit and bm gear which will significantly close the gear gap. Fully augmented BM gear is nearly as good as WH
This sounds way better than reducing the cost of WH. As it stands on my server, you're spending over 1.5m to get augment slots on each of your items. Throw in then the cost of buying the augments, the cost can get ridiculous.

Of course you can just augment the stuff yourself, but then you're falling into the old trap of forcing people into certain crafts, which means you're recreating the whole situation with biochem all over again (well it's not as bad as that, but I don't think they had planned to force everyone to pick certain crafts).

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Ybini
08.20.2012 , 07:50 AM | #28
I worked on some formulas for this and came up with this for unranked queueing.
All unranked 6 wz a day doing weeklys and dailys every day and exchanging every wz com to ranked.
50% win = 385 Warzones or 64 days
100% win = 323 Warzones or 53 days
*0% wins = 754 Warzones for 125 days

All unranked 12 wz a day doing weeklys and dailys every day and exchanging every wz com to ranked.
50% win = 557 Warzones or 46 days
100% win = 436 Warzones or 36 days
*0% win = 1097 Warzones or 91 days

going ranked queue will make it go a _lot_ faster.

wz a day 50% win..............all win..............all lose..............Gain
6..............64.3..............54.0............. .125.7
7..............60.4..............49.9............. .118.3..............5.230185498
8..............57.0..............46.5............. .111.8..............4.649053776
9..............54.0..............43.5............. .105.9..............4.159679694
10..............51.2..............40.8............ ..100.6..............3.743711725
11..............48.7..............38.5............ ..95.8..............3.387167751
12..............46.5..............36.4............ ..91.4..............3.07924341
13..............44.4..............34.5............ ..87.5..............2.811483113
14..............42.5..............32.8............ ..83.8..............2.577192854
15..............40.8..............31.3............ ..80.5..............2.371017426
16..............39.2..............29.9............ ..77.4..............2.18863147
17..............37.8..............28.6............ ..74.5..............2.02651062
18..............36.4..............27.5............ ..71.9..............1.881759862
19..............35.1..............26.4............ ..69.4..............1.751983319
20..............33.9..............25.4............ ..67.1..............1.635184431


*you get no dailies or weeklies done by losing, that's factored in.

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WrykilX
08.20.2012 , 07:54 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by LarryRow View Post
Said the guy who "earned" his war hero gear when everyone else was, so he wasn't facing people who out-geared him.
Actually, I just rerolled and took a character from recruit to War Hero. So your tears of entitlement are extra salty.

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LarryRow
08.20.2012 , 08:26 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by WrykilX View Post
Actually, I just rerolled and took a character from recruit to War Hero. So your tears of entitlement are extra salty.
In your premade against pugs
By legacy-mailing gear to your alt
Or just lying.

Or you are telling the truth and are a special snowflake who actually has the time and patience to slog out the grind. Good for you. Not everyone is you. Some of us have, you know, jobs/lives/families.

Also, not sure where I said I was entitled. You really like throwing that word around to make yourself feel better about having an advantage. In fact I think gear grinds are necessary in MMOs to keep people playing and chasing the carrot. But I also think the gap needs to be a lot smaller.
A classic sig that should not be lost:
Quote:
Stunned , pew pew hack slash , stunned , running backward circles, stunned cannot move, pew pew, break stun, 30 second snare, wha?!?!!? stunned, knockdown, ...less stun more pew pew and hacknslash please.