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Gamescom Interview with Jeff Hickman about the future of SWTOR

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Gamescom Interview with Jeff Hickman about the future of SWTOR

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Styxx
08.19.2012 , 10:37 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by WaywardOne View Post
Charging for expansions is what almost every game out there does and has done since the beginning of MMOs.

I'm sure that there are ways people can twist things around, that's why devs are careful about speaking publicly and interviews like this are fairly rare. And many questions are still unanswered (like "what are cartel coins really worth" or "what exactly is going to be in the cash shop" - couldn't be answered in an interview) but I didn't see any new red flags here. Jeff did seem like a good, sincere game maker.
I have nothing against paying for Expansions. I have problems seeing this Makeb as one. Especially since it`s coming when it`s coming and HOW it`s coming.

Reality shows this game has virtually nothing past lvl 50. They OWE us Makeb, for sticking around and still giving them our monthly. Nickle and dime the freemiums until they drop dead, for all I care. But not the subs, which got precisely one OP / WZ / FP in 7 months, having been promised monthly content. They owe us 6 more. They give one... I`ll take the planet for the rest of 5, thank you.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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Durasturan
08.19.2012 , 11:25 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
As long as we won`t share the same view on what Pay to Win is, we will keep disagreeing. And you only have an advantage, as long as you are THE ONLY ONE, or the VERY SELECT FEW that have it. If you have access one day earlier to one gear set.. that`s not advantage.

1. I am not suggesting. I am saying that, as long as it is WEAKER than top gear , it is NOT Pay to Win. Because everybody has a fair chance at getting the same gear, or virtually equal (like Campaign and Black Hole are now).
2. How is this different than buying purple mods for any of your alts, from a wealthy main? All you need is ONE day of "dailies" to kit anything below lvl 50. How is this different than having an army of alts with 400 crafting and making your own mods? How is this different than buying a Legacy Set and move mods around?

Again... as long as THE TOP is still ingame only and ONLY the mainstream is available in the Cash Shop... nothing will change.

[EDIT]Also, PvE is irrelevant under level 50, because it`s throwaway gear. The ONLY gear that matters is level 50. So, yes, point 1 still applies. Even better, PvE is NOT competitive. It compares to how fast can you drop mobs, or how fast can you change locations. As long as you can match with REASONABLE ingame effort what the Cash Shop is giving, there is no problem. The ONLY place where you can see P2W in your example is PvP. Under 50, rule 2 applies. At 50... rule 1.
So by your own admission you're fine with them selling BM and Rakata gear for real money since it is weaker than top gear?

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Sarfux
08.19.2012 , 11:30 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
I have nothing against paying for Expansions. I have problems seeing this Makeb as one. Especially since it`s coming when it`s coming and HOW it`s coming.

Reality shows this game has virtually nothing past lvl 50. They OWE us Makeb, for sticking around and still giving them our monthly. Nickle and dime the freemiums until they drop dead, for all I care. But not the subs, which got precisely one OP / WZ / FP in 7 months, having been promised monthly content. They owe us 6 more. They give one... I`ll take the planet for the rest of 5, thank you.
Content upgrades will be free....

he meant, just like James Ohlen has stated, they still don't know whether or not actual expansions are going to charged or not. Meaning we might get expansion packs for free to because the subscribers will be paying the 15 dollars a month which should go towards expansions also. Meaning the big ones.

The small ones are expansions, they are called content updates. That's what he meant.
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Sarfux
08.19.2012 , 11:31 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
So by your own admission you're fine with them selling BM and Rakata gear for real money since it is weaker than top gear?
That's not what he stated at all. Read more.
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Durasturan
08.19.2012 , 11:33 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
Content upgrades will be free....

he meant, just like James Ohlen has stated, they still don't know whether or not actual expansions are going to charged or not. Meaning we might get expansion packs for free to because the subscribers will be paying the 15 dollars a month which should go towards expansions also. Meaning the big ones.

The small ones are expansions, they are called content updates. That's what he meant.
That's not what he said. He was talking about "beefy chunks" of content. He did not use the word expansion.

They are talking about charging us for larger patches, things we would have considered 1.4 or 1.5 the "beefy" patches. What he basically said is that "we PROBABLY wont charge for 1.4.5 but will definately charge for 1.4 or 1.5."

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mothear
08.19.2012 , 11:34 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
Content upgrades will be free....

he meant, just like James Ohlen has stated, they still don't know whether or not actual expansions are going to charged or not. Meaning we might get expansion packs for free to because the subscribers will be paying the 15 dollars a month which should go towards expansions also. Meaning the big ones.

The small ones are expansions, they are called content updates. That's what he meant.
Nice to know you are a mind reader because what I heard was 'We haven't decided whether to charge subscribers for Makeb', when a few months ago it was 'Makeb will not be part of 1.4 but should be available by the end of the year'

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Durasturan
08.19.2012 , 11:34 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
That's not what he stated at all. Read more.
That's exactly what he said. BM and Rakata ARE NOT the top tier of gear. BH and WH are. If he's fine with people buying for all but the TOP tier of gear, then he is fine with people flat out BUYING BM rakata, YOU go back and read.

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Orcron
08.19.2012 , 11:49 AM | #128
I am gonna say it plan an simple

We (the community) need a OP that is spec sniper to go take out this guy before its to late. pay for content that is NOT even a xpac. piss poor human.. can NOT allow this one to breed..
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Styxx
08.19.2012 , 12:03 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
2. P2W means better than anything you can find ingame. As long as it is weaker than the top and comparable to gear that can be found relatively easy (by this I mean within one month, as opposed to tedious grinds that go 2+ months) it`s not P2W. Unfair? yes, since it should have been only "fluff". But not P2W.
Notice in my posts the overuse of words like "relatively easy" and "reasonable time".

Right now, the "mainstream" is Tionese, or Tionese equivalent.

So, as an example: IF F2P would hit tonight, the highest reasonable acceptable Cash Shop gear would be Tionese or Tionese equivalent. For PvP it would be Recruit. Even if it`s stats (I wouldn`t like it to be moddable, though) are something inbetween Tionese and Columi, then, to some extent.. it`s not THAT big of a deal - since it provides the perfect starting point, gear wise, to start doing all content bar Tier 2.

Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
So by your own admission you're fine with them selling BM and Rakata gear for real money since it is weaker than top gear?
I am not fine with the whole idea of F2P and I HATE P2W. And to answer to your question: No, I am NOT OK with them selling the mentioned sets. But, IF THEY DID, it`s NOT P2W in the case of Rakata gear. It is UNFAIR in the case of BM set, because it is one tier above the "mainstream" and it involves some degree of competition., but STILL not P2W, because it`s not top tier.

We can discuss about what is fair and unfair or cheap or not all day long. But the ONLY definition P2W can have is this: give an unfair advantage that cannot be found / gotten / obtained within the game in a REASONABLE timeframe - neither of Rakata nor BM fit.

FAIR would be if they cap to about 2 tiers below max as Cash Shop equivalent. Time will tell, though.
Quote: Originally Posted by John Riccitiello View Post
When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging.

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CorellianWannabe
08.19.2012 , 12:12 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
As long as we won`t share the same view on what Pay to Win is, we will keep disagreeing. And you only have an advantage, as long as you are THE ONLY ONE, or the VERY SELECT FEW that have it. If you have access one day earlier to one gear set.. that`s not advantage.

1. I am not suggesting. I am saying that, as long as it is WEAKER than top gear , it is NOT Pay to Win. Because everybody has a fair chance at getting the same gear, or virtually equal (like Campaign and Black Hole are now).
2. How is this different than buying purple mods for any of your alts, from a wealthy main? All you need is ONE day of "dailies" to kit anything below lvl 50. How is this different than having an army of alts with 400 crafting and making your own mods? How is this different than buying a Legacy Set and move mods around?

Again... as long as THE TOP is still ingame only and ONLY the mainstream is available in the Cash Shop... nothing will change.

[EDIT]Also, PvE is irrelevant under level 50, because it`s throwaway gear. The ONLY gear that matters is level 50. So, yes, point 1 still applies. Even better, PvE is NOT competitive. It compares to how fast can you drop mobs, or how fast can you change locations. As long as you can match with REASONABLE ingame effort what the Cash Shop is giving, there is no problem. The ONLY place where you can see P2W in your example is PvP. Under 50, rule 2 applies. At 50... rule 1.
So raid and warzone gear a tier below the current top end is cool to sell for cash, right? Although the only problem with selling top raid gear would be the cries of raiders who realize just how much time they've wasted getting that gear.

As for being 'owed' Makeb for free, the only thing Bioware has owed you is access to the servers. If you completed all content up to now and choose to keep paying that's all on you.