They are already discussing milking the subscribers

[QUOTE=Taorus;5053183]So what you're saying is because they didn't LEGALLY promise us content updates then we aren't entitled to them. Well LEGALLY most people commit three felonies a day so why don't you get off the internet and go turn yourself in to the police you felon!

This isn't about carefully worded legalese, but I guess if you really are that old all of this makes sense, after all it was your generation that bent us to the banking and legal slavery that is destroying this country, so taking another butt reaming from this major corporation is just par for the course for you eh.

What this IS about is industry standards and consumer expectations. It's about marketing terminology and how that is being used to mislead consumers.

If you've really played games as long as you claim then you should understand the difference between b2p, f2p, and p2p.

Buy to play means buying the game gives you access to the servers but when new content comes out, you pay for it.
Free to pay means you don't have to pay for access to the servers but you may have to pay for certain aspects of the game as content comes out.
Pay to play means your sub purchases you access to the servers AND new content.

SWTOR is trying to merge this three different industry standard payment models into a new hybrid model by charging subbed players as though this was a f2p game.

Now if you want to say "well their TOS and EULA means we're not LEGALLY entitled to new content herrrrr derrrrrr."
Then what I'll tell you is that misleading your client base under faulty assumptions while technically legal in America with it's loose consumer protection standards is NEVER a good idea when your good or service requires a RECURRING payment model... because people will just stop paying...

I'm beginning to think that you're a troll, as only a troll would honestly go back to the TOS and say "see you're not entitled to new content the TOS says so!"

there fixed it for you.

This really sums it up for me. So although it makes me very nervous about the direction things may go I'm not going to pass judgement before there is something to actually pass judgement on. I don't blame people for being apprehensive though.

We of course will pay for ANY expansion. Anything that add's more to the game. An entire planet and five levels? to a ton of us who have alt's that is alot. I would also like to see my companion side mission expanded just a bit more as well as my own.

It's not milking. Milking is what Blizzard does when they charge you 30 dollars faction transfer. 30 dollars.

1. It will be true if it would be ONLY Free to Play. This game has announced TWO payment plans : Sub and free. Free will have some limitations, or so they said. Now... there would be really no point in paying a sub if any patch costs money for the subbed players.

2. Look at 1. Because they are still keeping the sub model, so it is fully expected to have access to everything except the Cash Shop with a sub.

What you need to understand is this: they will add F2P, while keeping the subs. So, from a sub player`s perspective.. it makes very little sense to pay for new content.

But if you are using 'free' currency provided by your subscription to buy that content what is the problem?

its a fine line between a xpac and dlc. There areant to many news about this Makeb thingy but by the looks of it pretty much its a dlc and i hope im wrong.

The problem is that as a sub paying player, I should get those for FREE. Period. And that "free" is actually 15$ per month.

[EDIT]And I can almost bet that 15$ worth of Cartel Coins is more than the "free stipend", meaning I even get shafted vs freemiums, by getting less for the buck, but required to spend equal.

Understand where your coming from but every MMO is doing it. WoW for example is the hugest glutton for paying for nothing and then paying for expansions. The discussion at the moment is will it be beneficial for the company for subs to pay extra for expansions or let them have it for free.

IMO I think if they give it to subs they are literally going to rip their competition apart.

So what do you use your cartel coins for. Do you expect free pets etc?

Are you expecting to be given free fluff, because that is what you should be paying for, in my opinion?