They are already discussing milking the subscribers

theres a big diffrence between a pay for xpac and monthly content relese

lets use good old faithful as an example

the burning crusade gave you

2 new races

a whole new planet with 6 zones (dont say makeb is the same its far from it. those 6 zones had the same content as 4-5 planets in the game now if not more)

10 more levels

new crafting professions

new battlegrounds

flying mounts

thats a xpac worth £35

now the sunwell platu had a raid a daily hub and a dungeon

thats a content patch worth the subs we have been paying

see the difference

Nothing against the CSR personally, but would they really help here? Here's what it would look like:

Its a interesting problem they will have.

For me its simple

You go the hybred F2P route where you say you can subscribe and get all the content or do F2P and buy the content packages and thats that!

You get ALL THE CONTENT with a subscription, period, end of story.

By going F2P they have lost the right to have paid for expansions because if we have to subscribe and then pay, why subscribe?

I know its pretty open and shut with me on content issues. My subscription gets me all the content. end of story.

I have no issue paying extra (one time fees) for more character slots on a server as thats outside the "CONTENT" parameters.

But content wise (and this new planet definately falls under CONTENT), you pay your monthly sub and you get the content. If you ever cancel your monthly sub and go F2P option, I could see them revokeing access to that content unless you buy it like other F2P players.

But long as you paying that monthly sub, you get ALL CONTENT micro transaction free.

No if, ands, or buts!

And yes, if they try to charge me a sub fee and then a cost on top of that, account will be cancelled for good.

I dont do Buy to Win and I dont do double dipping.

EA, either you are a subscription only product where you DO get to charge for expansions or you are hybred F2P where you lose the right to charge your subscribers expansion costs as you try to sell to players who didnt pay what we did for game and DONT pay a monthly fee.

You might want the best of both worlds but your not going to get it.
Pick one and run with it.

To be honest I will hold my judgement on this and wait to see the direction BW takes with this. If they make it free awesome. If they charge for it but throw in a bunch of stuff with it ( lvl raise, new ops, new pvp modes and maps, new weapons, maybe some new color crystals, new armor looks, at least 1 new cross faction race, and of course the PVE content that comes with the planet) and call it an expansion I'll be ok with that. If they charge for just the planet then I will not be ok with that.

I'm a big fan and I'm not going to say that. I pay a subscription to play the game. The content, including Makeb is part of that subscription. Unless Makeb is an expansion the size of Burning Crusade, then its not something that I'd be interested in paying for. An expansion is an expansion, a planet is a planet.

This is a pretty big piece (of content). It is probably all that I can say. It is definitely still for discussion whether we sell that to the subscriber or the subscriber gets that for free because it is a big beefy chunk of content.

Walking on thin ice i'de say.
What could warrant charging a subscriber to be charged unless...
It was an expansion at least 1/2 the size of the core game.
Maybe a new companion for each class
A number of planets, not just one.

Otherwise if they are adding 1 planet
maybe a new companion
a continuation of a current companions relationship
1 planets worth of quests and missions
That should be free for a paid subscription.

If they charge for any content for those who are paying a sub it should be SwTor II A whole new game with a number of planets ect..., not DLC single planet sized content

To charge someone who is already paying a monthly Fee it better not be just a Beefy chunk, it needs to be a whole Cow.

To me an expansion means chapter 4 of the character stories and we have been told Makeb does not include this, therefore in my eyes this is not an expansion and as a subscriber I will not buy it with my cash.

I suspect, if they do add it to the cartel shop only, it will cost around 1500 coins, which basically removes all the coins that you will have received as a none CE subscriber from March-April onwards.

You know what I like best about F2P games. If the content sucks you dont buy it. Developers actually have to deliver as they are not getting their cash in a monthly drip. If Makeb is expansion worthy, and it is more than just a content pack I have no issues paying for it(Like wow's BC, Lotro's MoM, etc). If it is content light than players will respond by skipping the purchase.

I'd agree, to even suggest subscribers pay for Makeb would probably be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think many are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt for now but pull another stunt like this and it would be the end. To me it's a content update as you say, an expansion implies significant additions to the game, not one new planet.

This this this this and this.

If they honestly think they can charge people that have been keeping a sub...charge them even a single penny for more content right now, they are going to kill off the rest of this game pretty fast.