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Baizak
12.19.2011 , 01:23 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Matty-Wan View Post
Again, NOBODY is debating whether you can "need" for cosmetic items... /sigh

In this example, the player is cleared for the armor type, i.e. heavy, med, light. The armor rating is an upgrade, and the defense stat is an upgrade. Its only that the loot has endurance and power instead of endurance and aim for example.

This loot in an upgrade in nearly everyway NOT COSMETIC. And in the ways that its not, its easily modded.
Aim is a main stat for somebody. Endurance and Power are not. They are secondary and tertiary.

So if you take an item with Aim and you do not use Aim, modable or not, you are a ninja
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DeaconX
12.19.2011 , 01:25 PM | #92
Just like to point out...


ALL OF THIS would be AVOIDED with an APPEARANCE TAB.

That is all.
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Skytripa
12.19.2011 , 01:25 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Cortechs View Post
Hmm.

So I have decided to use orange chest, legs, and blaster. I am not 100% satisfied with my legs or blaster, and after 15 levels I'm getting tired of my chest piece. Unfortunately there are none available on the AH.

If I am not allowed to roll on orange gear unless every single stat isn't dedicated to my class, how am I ever going to get different pieces?

Seems to me, that someone who thinks he should be able to roll on every single class specific piece, plus every single orange piece (just because it randomly has some mod in it), is the one being a little greedy.
Just go buy new mods on the AH

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Sakes
12.19.2011 , 01:25 PM | #94
Stat upgrades > cosmetic upgrades.

Whoever it is itemized for has priority, sorry.

To put it another way: in MMOs where you can't customize your appearance, do most people go with what looks nice or do they go with what gives them the best stats? Overwhelmingly the latter.

Stats matter more.

Edit: This certainly IS a cosmetic upgrade.

'higher base armor' is meaningless because the armor amount is based on the armoring mod, so if you have to replace the armoring mod anyway then it doesn't matter if the item is level 1 or level 50. it's going to have the armor of the mod you put into it. Mods and Armoring both always have base stats, so the only mod on there that could possibly be reused is the enhancement.

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Cortechs
12.19.2011 , 01:27 PM | #95
Then just let the orange gear drop empty. Problem solved.

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Moondragon
12.19.2011 , 01:30 PM | #96
I don't come from WoW either, but I've played other MMO's with this same system (relatively). I have a very simplified rule:

If the general category is something I can use...I "Need" it.
Ex. I'm a Guardian, so I'll always "Need" Heavy Armor

If the object is orange, that's even better because I can just reslot it later if I actually need to. Hell, even some of the blues, I'll "Need" if their stat's are further along then what I can make at the time. I can alter and tweek the components to work for me if I have to eventually but yeah, I personally don't see a problem with that either. If there's other classes that can use what I can (Trooper vs. Jedi Knight for example), then I welcome them to "Need" it as well.

I DO have a problem when I see a person "Need" an item that they CAN'T use just because they'll get "mad money" for it or "their friend/guildy/Alt" needs it. Sorry...don't care.

So far though, I've really only ever used "Greed".

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McAvinue
12.19.2011 , 01:38 PM | #97
This is not a complicated system here.

Need is for items that you NEED to have.
Greed is for items that you WANT to have.

If you want to need on an item that has almost the stats you need but can later change them to suit you, you better clear it with the rest of the group. Why, because someone else might need EVERY stat that the drop has. If that is the case, you should use the greed option, and come back another run to try and get it. I mean if the mods are random anyway, what does it matter to you? You're going to change the mods anyway.
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Matty-Wan
12.19.2011 , 01:45 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Moondragon View Post
I don't come from WoW either, but I've played other MMO's with this same system (relatively). I have a very simplified rule:

If the general category is something I can use...I "Need" it.
Ex. I'm a Guardian, so I'll always "Need" Heavy Armor

If the object is orange, that's even better because I can just reslot it later if I actually need to. Hell, even some of the blues, I'll "Need" if their stat's are further along then what I can make at the time. I can alter and tweek the components to work for me if I have to eventually but yeah, I personally don't see a problem with that either. If there's other classes that can use what I can (Trooper vs. Jedi Knight for example), then I welcome them to "Need" it as well.

I DO have a problem when I see a person "Need" an item that they CAN'T use just because they'll get "mad money" for it or "their friend/guildy/Alt" needs it. Sorry...don't care.

So far though, I've really only ever used "Greed".
Of course, this is a very reasonable position.

The problem is that there are more than a few fanatical zealots that can not wrap there heads around the idea that Orange gear is not the old loot they remember from WoW. Its a new system that has a different dynamic in terms of who can claim they have "need".

Its not as if I am a BH and a "need" on a lightsaber drop. Orange loot is MODABLE and there fore isnt approached the same as hard stated items.

Obvious need for a new paradigm is obvious.
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Vladamyr
12.19.2011 , 01:53 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Matty-Wan View Post
My opinion exactly. I have a feeling this will be shared by all in time. I wonder though if the folks who are stuck in "it dosent have your stats!" may take some time to come around.
As a Raid leader for several different MMOs I will honestly say I am one of the Biggest Loot Nazis that you will ever meet.

However, in TOR....I actually care very much about how my character looks. and I do agree with the OP.......Orange gear is up for grabs.....(though a Jugg would look pretty stupid with a jetpack)

I am an Assassin, and I have 4 different sets of orange gear that I have been trading out depending on what the rest of my armor/lightsaber looks like.... I love this feature.....

by all means roll on it....and if they complain oh well, in 2 levels they will have better mods they can get from a Commendation Vendor, and there are so many Orange Armor pieces that it really is just based on looks.

Having said that late game, their may be mod'd items that drop that may have mods that are either very difficult to or cannot be crafted...in this case I would revert to my Loot Nazi Ideals.

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MasterKayote
12.19.2011 , 01:55 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Cortechs View Post
Hmm.

So I have decided to use orange chest, legs, and blaster. I am not 100% satisfied with my legs or blaster, and after 15 levels I'm getting tired of my chest piece. Unfortunately there are none available on the AH.

If I am not allowed to roll on orange gear unless every single stat isn't dedicated to my class, how am I ever going to get different pieces?

Seems to me, that someone who thinks he should be able to roll on every single class specific piece, plus every single orange piece (just because it randomly has some mod in it), is the one being a little greedy.
Yeah sure I mean, Bioware made that gear to drop on that mob and put in the exact mods needed by a certain class but you should still be able to take it because it looks good on you. I mean youre not 100% satisfied by what you have, so obviously thats reason enough to go and take a dump on someone else so that YOU can have full , 100% satisfaction. It is, after all, all about YOUR satisfaction. Who really gives a **** about other people that arent you.

/sigh ... Am I the only person here that thinks its people with this kind of attitude towards anyone who isnt them, which are at the root of the worlds problems?
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