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SWTOR no longer going to Star Wars Celebration??

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SWTOR no longer going to Star Wars Celebration??
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Fornix
08.09.2012 , 11:48 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
I understand all of this except...

You are going to Gamescon, in Germany, instead of Star Wars celebration HERE?

Seriously, who in America gives a flying fig about Gamescon. Moreover, I don't see many folks in Great Britain schleping over to Gamescon.
There's a multitude of reasons which can easily be given:

- Who in the rest of their playerbase gives a flying goose than your American-centric mind can't get around it that there's more countries out there in the world? You're a small fraction of this world's population, keep that in mind.

- Star Wars celebration has roughly 30k attendees, of star wars fans. They're not all gamers, and not all gamers are MMO fans. So if the odds ratios are even as high as 50% and 50% the target audience is still just 7.5k players.

- GamesCom has roughly 300k attendees, and sure not all are SW and MMO fans. But if we'd say as few as 50% are SW fans and give them the same 50% odds of being MMO fans, that'd still be a potential target audience of 30k.

So short story short. GamesCom has more potential players, and it not being located in the US means squat.
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08.09.2012 , 12:34 PM | #102
I honestly don't care very much about which convention Bioware should be going to - there are different reasons to go to each. I don't care if you feel they shouldn't be going to conventions at all.

The main thing that bothers me is that this was an announced event, on the event page and everything. Then, 15 days before the convention begins, we find out that Bioware isn't going - and only because it was removed from the event page. While Bioware isn't legally bound to go to a convention they announced, I find it highly unprofessional that they would renege on an announced event, and even more unprofessional in how they handled the cancellation - it seems that they hoped nobody would notice.

Bioware for the past year has been trying its hardest to make its fans happy - everything from opening up new servers at launch to addressing the issues in Mass Effect 3. But cancelling on SW Celebration VI 15 days before the convention is a disservice to the fan-base and an indication on Bioware's ability to deliver on its commitments.

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BilboFett
08.09.2012 , 02:18 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Glzmo View Post
I think it's a bad idea marketing wise to not go there. Just think how many Star Wars fans that you haven't reached yet you could reach and eventually get them to start playing Star Wars: The Old Republic with a good presentation. I really don't understand EA. This is a marketing fiasco.
I agree, it's already been proven to a degree that MMO and hardcore gamers are not what are going to keep this game alive, it is the STAR WARS fans. Most of my guild are just biding their time til GW2 comes out. The guildies that have expressed their interest in staying with SWTOR are doing so because of the Star Wars element.

I'm not even going to any of these conventions but I see the folly of the only major SW game currently on the market not showing up at the biggest collection of Star Wars fans on the planet. Fish in a barrel. I personally know tons of die hard Star Wars fans who are not playing SWTOR. Go after them Bioware/EA!

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Crenshinibon
08.09.2012 , 04:04 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
There's a multitude of reasons which can easily be given:

- Who in the rest of their playerbase gives a flying goose than your American-centric mind can't get around it that there's more countries out there in the world? You're a small fraction of this world's population, keep that in mind.

- Star Wars celebration has roughly 30k attendees, of star wars fans. They're not all gamers, and not all gamers are MMO fans. So if the odds ratios are even as high as 50% and 50% the target audience is still just 7.5k players.

- GamesCom has roughly 300k attendees, and sure not all are SW and MMO fans. But if we'd say as few as 50% are SW fans and give them the same 50% odds of being MMO fans, that'd still be a potential target audience of 30k.

So short story short. GamesCom has more potential players, and it not being located in the US means squat.
I can see what you are saying here, but the fact is the event has been listed most of the year and they stated they had big events planned for it, then cancelled 2 weeks before it happens.

In reference to the difference between GamesCom and Star Wars Celebration, sure SWC will have fewer attendees, but it is also a only 2.5 hour flight from Austin where as Germany is a good 12 to 13 hours. They likely have to pay fees to present at GamesCom, but with SWC, I suspect the fees would be nothing since it is put on by LucasArts. On top of that, SWTOR will be competing for gamers attention at GamesCom, but they would be the only one at SWC.

At the minimum, they should have a couple of people there, some vids of the game, etc. To help bring in more players.

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TheCoffeeFiend
08.09.2012 , 04:31 PM | #105
Practical reasons aside, the loss of prestige and status for not attending will hurt. After having been anything but ditched by EA for not being commercially successful enough it now appears that it is also dropped by LA as being part of what consititutes the overall Star Wars (expanded) universe.
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08.09.2012 , 04:36 PM | #106
I must admit that not going to the Celebration seems like a huge mistake. The Celebration is a Star Wars convention, SWTOR is a Star Wars MMO, having an appearance there seems like a no-brainer to me. Why a Star Wars game staff wouldn't do their best to make an appearance at the world's largest Star Wars convention is beyond me. Especially seeing as Gamescom happens every year, while the Celebration occurs only ever three or four years at least. Chances are SWTOR wont even be in service anymore by the time the next Celebration comes around.

It seems like Bioware would want to try to appeal to the Star Wars fans, as they will probably be the ones who will be the most loyal to this game over hardcore MMO players who probably wouldn't be quite as loyal. But, well...

It's quite the missed opportunity. I often have to wonder what's going on in Bioware/EA's head...
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CaptRavenous
08.09.2012 , 04:57 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by JovethGonzalez View Post
Folks, I wanted to follow up a bit regarding Celebrations. We do apologize for any inconvenience but our dev team is hard at work on the game, and we just couldn’t spare the staff. We just completed Comic-Con and are preparing to attend Gamescom in Germany next week. Stay tuned for updates about future events.
You guys keep trying to grab a piece of the market away from other franchises by going to comic and gaming conventions. So much for the theory that this game was made by Star Wars fans for Star Wars fans.

You guys are alienating the only audience who has a hope of helping you fix this game and helping it succeed. The same group your devs claimed to be making the game for, according to some vids during the making of this MMO. "By Star Wars fans, for Star Wars fans".

If you're not willing to reach out to the Star Wars crowd, this game will never be able to keep a large number of long-term players needed for this MMO to turn a viable profit over the long term.

You guys are failing your fan base. Trinkets in my game mailbox doesn't compensate for this. I can see why people are upset here. Its obvious you guys are more focused on the MMO market than you are the Star Wars market/fans.

Your game will continue to have problems keeping players, as a result. The MMO market is the most fickle beast of them all. At least Star Wars fans have dedication.

Good luck, you're gonna need it.
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pogmahone
08.09.2012 , 05:21 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Saltydogg View Post
Was even better is that its a Star Wars MMO and it flops in 8 months. The millions of people out there that are Star Wars fans and they made a game so horrible that it goes F2P in less time it took Warhammer to disolve into 4 servers, now that is classic.
So true

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GunganJedi
08.10.2012 , 05:32 AM | #109
Seriously, ***? I was totally looking forward to seeing some Devs at Celebration as well as getting the Tauntaun pet they are giving out this summer. Now I will not get to do that. I thought this was a Star Wars game. How can you NOT come to the biggest Star Wars convention?

Well at least 1313 will be there.

I was not all that worried about the state of the game when the F2P announcement came out, but now I am. You guys have really disappointed me here.

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Lazirus-
08.10.2012 , 07:00 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by SidneyFault View Post
it is beyond pathetic... someone should be getting fired over this. I hope Lucas Licensing and Lucas Arts is not happy about that. and I certainly hope that they light a fire under the devs butts to get them moving again. there is just no plausible excuse for this. I think its because they don't want to face a crowd of very unhappy people.. I think the devs just want to hide in their office and not face reality.
Wow, really? You think that somebody should lose their job and livelihood because a damn video game isn't going to be at a convention?

You're the last person on this planet who should be calling anything or anyone pathetic.
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