*SPOILERS*Why was Revan and so much in kotor retconned

A lot of people (Drew Karpyshyn included apparently (even though he doesn't work for BioWare anymore)) make a LOT over the fact that Revan disappears in a Dark Pulse instead of leaving a body. They changed his death animation during Beta because a ton of players were complaining about how undignified it was to loot his actual corpse.

Also: Regarding Fold Space, does he even know who the Aing-Tii monks are? I don't think he's ever had any canonical contact with them. Do they even exist yet? Does Fold Space as a Force power even exist yet in the time line? Even if it does, just because Luke "The Man" Skywalker could learn Fold Space with his Trollface on and not breaking a sweat doesn't mean that Revan could. I don't honestly think there's even a gap in the time line where he could have dedicated himself to learning such a difficult and obscure Force power.

Personally, I think he's dead and should stay that way. SW:TOR isn't a story about Revan, its a story about my Bounty Hunter, or my Sith Warrior, or my Trooper. He left his footprints on the Galaxy and we've retraced a lot of them, now its time for our characters to leave their own mark.

You never really "kill" Revan. Remember this simple rule when taking things about SW into effect. If the character in question doesn't get kicked in the face after the battle and if you don't see/hear/witness said character's head getting taken off , they ain't dead.

As for Revan being made a chump by the Emperor , you might want to rethink that. The Exile gave Revan the power to survive while the Emperor sucked his force from him. In doing so , Revan was able to stay in the Emperor's mind and actually kept him from invading the Republic when he had the forces and before the Republic was ready. Its more like Revan made the Emperor his chump.

Nothing was retcon'd at all , the story was just expanded. Now we know a little of the story behind the Exile and where/what Revan did when he left the Republic.

I'll start of by saying that my jaw hit the floor when I first heard Hk's voice when doing the flashpoint. I could not stop freaking out about getting to see him again. While his screen time was limited it was a welcomed reunion.

Now to my complaint. My disappointment with it is that many characters that are so beloved die off all together. I was happier in my only little world just believeing that T3 , HK and the exile all lived. They were all characters that we put (some times extensive) time into. It was just sort of sad to learn that they had been killed off.

Now, I also understand that no one lives forever. I know that they were going to die eventually.

I just wish that there could have been more story involvement within SWTOR before they had to die. The exile and HK ended up becoming my 2 favorite Star Wars characters of all time.

Simple put I was slightly disapointed.

But don't get me wrong, the game is amazing. I don't think anyone here is saying anything otherwise. I just think that Bioware could have done a bit more with Revan and everyone inside the SWTOR universe.

if it helps you can go back and solo him at level 50 and you might feel better because you were at least at the cap when you killed him? well, defeated him?


anyways, revan is an odd character, one i used to idolize who i now see was always on a darth vader like path.

he went to fight against the mandalorians cus the republic would have lost if he hadnt. ok thats fine. but he became just as, if not more ruthless than the mandalorians he was fighting, even before he went off and got minde f***** by the emperor, it was pretty obvious he had pretty much already fallen to the darkside, albeit for a good ends justify the means reason if you believe in that(which he obviously does). then he goes fights the emperor "redeemed", but hes betrayed and imprisoned for 300 years, after which when he is freed, he doesnt remember all his techniques and such, and has gone basically nuts, and plans to kill 97% of the imperial population by using something quite similar to the star forge(if it wasnt destroyed at the end of kotor i would have assumed that it was the star forge. instead its star forge # 2 out of what, 42? 9001?). So hes gone to the darkside again...and again he did it without the emperor dominating his mind. so no he wasnt at his full strength, however, they want you to feel heroic so even if he was you would still end up killing him eventually.

I hate what they did with meetra, but at least she got to die a hero. revan got to be defeated and almost killed after being imprisoned for 300 years and going loony...they f'ed up revan a bit more than they did meetra...

i blame EA though. i can almsot guarantee you that they forced bioware to include revan and meetra in the game, so bioware and drew had to find some way to plausibly bring revan forward 300 years in time...and idk for certain, but id say that EA probably made them make him someone you have to kill to make you feel more powerful...even though to me it makes me feel weaker...because i identify more with revan than i do my current character. until they give me an operative republic side that is. i love the operatives playstyle and the story is nice, but i really like playing the good guy. even though i know you get to do that at the end of agent story, its still not the same. and no, vanguard is not close enough. their too powerful. i just wenmt off on a really long rant that has nothign to do with this thread so i apologize.

Idiots.. Read a book once in awhile here's a direct quote from the Revan novel
"instead of charging forward he opened himself up to the force letting both the light AND dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers but instead of focusing or channeling the force he released it in its purest form"
So for all you who say you can't use the light and dark side it's either 1 or the other guess who was just proven wrong

Nobody is saying that he couldn't use both, or that any Jedi couldn't use both.
Simply that it's impossible for him or any other Jedi to master both Light and Dark.

Jedi shouldn't use any abilities associated with the Dark Side because of the corruptive influence.
Sith pretty much don't use anything Light Side because they see no need for it.

No one is claiming that the line in question wasn't in the book. The issue is that the line is wrong on every level and contradicts every peice of canon ever.

Regardless if it contradicts everything in lore it is canon and you can't argue against it he was a master of both light and dark done nothing else to say about it complain to the writer. He could heal himself and he could use force lightning both of those are canon and he used both multiple times.

He used both light and dark but he did not master it.

Mastering them... imho is kind of impossible unless your one of the Skywalkers..

Because it directly contradicts G-Canon sources it is in fact N-Canon. A lot of people don't seem to realize this, but excerpts from novels that are C-Canon can in fact be N-Canon. For example, the Clone Madness in the Heir to the Empire series is N-Canon, yet the events of the books are C-Canon. Revan drawing upon both sides of the Force at the same time is unquestionably N-Canon because of previously established C and G-Canon sources.