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rotatorkuf
08.09.2012 , 12:28 PM | #1
either take lost island off the LFG tool, make it premade only, or add a gear check

i don't know how many tiems i've had to leave cause under-geared or under-skilled or entirely new people are queing for it....

this is NOT that hard of an instance, but it IS hard for new players, and under geared players....

something has to be done yallllll

(before the cool guys step in, yes i have patience, and i've tried to get new people aware of mechanics, but like i said, it's really tough for new players, so many people qutitting this instance all the time because of PUG)

(before the other cool guys step in with "so just make your own group", that's not the point of having a LFG tool)

edit: another fix could possibly be just SIMPLY listing the minimum requirements for Lost Island

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Satedbuffalo
08.09.2012 , 12:33 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by rotatorkuf View Post
either take lost island off the LFG tool, make it premade only, or add a gear check

i don't know how many tiems i've had to leave cause under-geared or under-skilled or entirely new people are queing for it....

this is NOT that hard of an instance, but it IS hard for new players, and under geared players....

something has to be done yallllll
I wouldn't queue for it without an experienced tank and healer.

You're locked out of BH comms for HM FPs by doing any of the others, so if you don't want to queue for it, there's really no incentive or requirement that you do.

I like having it there just so that I can get a group of four, hit a button, and instantly travel there. And get BH comms. Is good deal.
One, two! One, two! And through and through
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rotatorkuf
08.09.2012 , 12:34 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Satedbuffalo View Post
I wouldn't queue for it without an experienced tank and healer.

You're locked out of BH comms for HM FPs by doing any of the others, so if you don't want to queue for it, there's really no incentive or requirement that you do.

I like having it there just so that I can get a group of four, hit a button, and instantly travel there. And get BH comms. Is good deal.
i agree, but read my edits, and you need it to get the weekly rakhgoul conflicts, at the VERY least

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rotatorkuf
08.09.2012 , 12:43 PM | #4
also, a related question

how many people do you already have on ignore because of LFG tool?

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Satedbuffalo
08.09.2012 , 01:40 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by rotatorkuf View Post
how many people do you already have on ignore because of LFG tool?
4-5 abusive tanks (I really have very little patience for tanks who blame others for tank mistakes).

Regarding your edits: what I meant is, there's no incentive to PUGging Lost Island HM. You can still get the 8 BH comms by doing it with a known group.

Are you consistently getting burned trying to PUG Lost Island? I would consider picking up a random DPS, but not much else. I just don't see the connection between 1. undergeared/poor players are queueing for Lost Island and 2. This affects me and so the option should be removed. As it stands, it's nice to actually get a few comms for completing it and it's nice to instantly shuttle down - it doesn't seem like there's a downside..
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

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Khevar
08.09.2012 , 01:53 PM | #6
I understand the frustration, but I really really like the "travel now" option for using the group finder to run LI with a pre-made. Plus I like the group finder reward

It would be a bummer to remove it from the group finder.

Also, gear check won't solve the problem with people that can't play their class well or don't know the fight mechanics. If you took 4 unskilled players and gave them fully optimized Campaign / Black Hole gear and told them to run Lost Island, they would still wipe on LR-5.

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ImmortalAlien
08.09.2012 , 01:55 PM | #7
It doesn't need to be removed. It doesn't need a gear check. It's separated from the rest of the flashpoints for specifically allowing undergeared and inexperienced players to avoid having to deal with the flashpoint.

That said, the majority of Lost Island's difficulty is in the mechanics, not the gear needed. Once the mechanics are handled by all players, the flashpoint is not difficult. Most PUGs I have with the LFG tool now end up with one or two wipes before clearing all the way, all due to mechanic check failures.

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uniz
08.10.2012 , 09:46 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by rotatorkuf View Post
either take lost island off the LFG tool, make it premade only, or add a gear check

i don't know how many tiems i've had to leave cause under-geared or under-skilled or entirely new people are queing for it....

this is NOT that hard of an instance, but it IS hard for new players, and under geared players....

something has to be done yallllll

(before the cool guys step in, yes i have patience, and i've tried to get new people aware of mechanics, but like i said, it's really tough for new players, so many people qutitting this instance all the time because of PUG)

(before the other cool guys step in with "so just make your own group", that's not the point of having a LFG tool)

edit: another fix could possibly be just SIMPLY listing the minimum requirements for Lost Island
gear check wont eliminate the under skilled and first timers. no lfd tool ever will. this is just something WE and YOU will have to deal with when using this tool. you cant fix this, bioware cant fix this. so just learn to deal with it since you are against the best solution of making your own premade.

as far as first timers, it is safe to say everyone who has done the zone was once one. to help these people out is to make them to do the story mode in order to be "flagged" for the hm. this way people will know most of the fight mechanics but still not all. they will still be first timers.

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alifaraaz
08.10.2012 , 10:58 AM | #9
What the other said.

And honestly, removing it from the LFG tool wouldnt help anyone :\ Gearcheck, maybe but Im not a fan of them, mainly cause I like to do stuff on my undergeared characters.

Its already seperated into Tier 2, which should be enough of a warning to say: This is harder than the other FPs, but sure maybe a little Note or tutorial to clarify this might help newer players.

It also shouldn't be limited to premades, thats crazy, why limit it or remove it - as that wouldnt help you find a group now would it :P Youd then still have to make a premade group for it, which you can do right now if you dont wanna risk running with randoms.
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DiLune
08.10.2012 , 11:59 AM | #10
The droid's unfriendliess to melee is what kills this instance for me (as a tank.)