Didn't want to jump on the Anti-SWTOR train, but...

Few things, I agree that the group is shrinking, but wait til F2P hits... they'll be back, in bigger, more trollish numbers. Hopefully they bar them from General Discussion on here, and /1 In-Game or it'll be a sh*tshow. Also, your last point's slightly warped, while not pointing the finger at anything but Subs Dropping they did say it was a chunk of 40% of the reason people left, holding the majority of the weight as one major issue. That doesn't mean they aren't noticing the other 60% and perhaps believe they are already taking steps to change that one.

I've pretty much played them all, stuck with the good ones. I'm still playing this one because I've held off hope and shushed the doomsayers this entire time since this game had potential. That potential's never going to be realized though.

Compared to the norm this is not lightning fast. The first patch was already in development pre-launch. So were many parts of the second patch. Since then we've seen a few rounds of layoffs, and lo-and-behold, nothing meaningful has come out of this game in months.

I'm not a content locust. I have a family, and kids, play about an hour a day maybe 4 days a week...I have BIS gear, and nothing to do but re-run operations and flashpoints, play alts (which I do), and re-run the same four warzones. While those warzones are more than a game like say, WoW had at launch (yes WoW's first year was worse than this game's in every way shape or form, except for communication, and subscription retention) they are not a real endgame. WoW's endgame content was more difficult to complete, and took people longer to exhaust. TOR's content is incredibly easy, in order to cater to casual folks like me. Unfortunately, I'm as casual as they get, and the content is still far in the past for me because I'm an experienced MMORPG player.

A real end-game are the things this game is lacking, factional conflict (not limited to the same 4 tiny maps and game modes), a real dynamic world complete with world objectives, a world that you can explore (not on-rails planets with platforming mini-games for datacrons that are supposed to pass as exploration), guild versus guild systems (what was the point of allies and enemies? Oh right, nothing), Guild bases, basically ANYTHING to make this more than a gear grind is missing.

The suggestions are there. For some people re-running EV, KP, and EC, and these Four Warzones is enough - to some of us, it's a rip off. If you only PVP, you get more maps, and more detailed maps with Call of Duty, and there's a much smaller "gear gap" (I'm not one of those complaining, I have great gear, but the even playing field is what true PVPers want). If you're playing as a single player, why subscribe to an MMORPG. If you're an avid raider, there's no way you're not through the content already. It has nothing to do with us ravenously devouring it too fast. It's just not there.

Solo grinding and alts are fun - until you run out of content, which you will. At that point there's NOTHING to keep you playing this game. And from the looks of it very little to be added. If we know anything of the timetables they've set out so far, you will see very little of these things they've promised delivered on schedule, and they're barely anything of substance to begin with.

I was always fanboy #1...They've lost me though. I keep playing to spend time with my guildmates, nothing more. The potential this game had was utterly squandered. If it's "good enough" for you, that's fine, but for some of us we expect better out of the amount of money invested and poured into these companies to make this game a success.

But... "Nope. Here is a few comms. And a pet. This should hold you over another couple of months"...

For months, I've blasted the haters of this game because I love it so much...but I'm finally starting to crack. I'm beginning to get real impatient.

. Look now, on these forums you'll mostly see fans and people who regret for paying a single penny for this game.

From your response, you are not a "casual". You may "play casually now" (with regards to time spent playing) but, you know what you are doing. You are a Gamer. You are not part of the "new gamer" group to which games now seem to be targetted.

I agree with your points about how easy this game is. I feel the same.

The game is fine for me now because I don't play it as an MMORPG. It's a lobby game at best. SWTOR is basically a client server version of KoTOR. Becasue of all the pathing and on the rails feel the game doesn't feel massive. So I play it as such and keep my expectations as such. I am waiting for a new MMORPG. When it comes along I will be there. For now I play SWTOR because it's Star Wars and not Elves and Dragons. I am burned out on the pure fantasy genre. Space Opera will have to do until a True Sci-Fi sandbox comes along.

Few things, I agree that the group is shrinking, but wait til F2P hits... they'll be back, in bigger, more trollish numbers. Hopefully they bar them from General Discussion on here, and /1 In-Game or it'll be a sh*tshow. Also, your last point's slightly warped, while not pointing the finger at anything but Subs Dropping they did say it was a chunk of 40% of the reason people left, holding the majority of the weight as one major issue. That doesn't mean they aren't noticing the other 60% and perhaps believe they are already taking steps to change that one.

While we don't plan on allowing Free Players access to post on the forums, we do ask that you respect other community members, regardless of their status.

Could I get more in depth with the search and try to find concrete evidence from EA? Sure. But that's not the freakin' point of my post.

So what was the freakin'g point of your post then? You got both key facts wrong. I corrected you, not for your benefit but for the benefit of other forum members.

November was specifically stated in EAs earnings announcement PDF, and it was both posted here on the forums and been discussed many times on the forums.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...t=f2p+november

Where have you been???